guitar racism

[nfe]

Degrees of the same thing. Even if we take them as totally separate concepts, I'd still think it a bizarre comparison.

[Dr. Stein]

There's maybe a sense of 'dislike' which is a degree of hate but I don't think that's the type of dislike people tend to have towards guitars, paintings and whatever. If I say I dislike a guitar it's because of an aesthetic preference but if I say I hate it that's expressing more than simply an extreme aesthetic preference. Hate suggests aggressiveness, the feeling that there's some sort of conflict going on.

Of course nobody quite speaks the same language in the end, but the thread is called 'guitar racism' so if we're talking past each other I'm on topic and you're not  :lol:

[nfe]

You go find someone who uses the word hate when referring to a guitar with the same underlying meaning as someone who says they hate jews  :lol:

[Dr. Stein]

You go find someone who uses the word hate when referring to a guitar with the same underlying meaning as someone who says they hate jews  :lol:

Thankfully, they're pretty rare. They're also almost always thirteen, so try ultimate-guitar.com if you're looking for one.

[ras]

Jeesh I own a Steinberger GM1T and 3 PRSi, please don't banish me.  They just felt right and still do.  The steinberger has the transtrem which is amazing, a great thick neck, and is travelable like no other guitar (I used to make constant transcontinental trips in the US and wanted a guitar around, steiny was the only thing that fit in the over head bin on a plane).  And the 3 PRSi fell into my lap at awesome prices and all have different setups, pickups, and purposes.  So I guess that kind of defends it.  I will say that some of the ESP, Schecter, Dean, and BC Rich guitars do raise my ire.  Just feel they latched onto the metalcore kids like mad and are selling them inferior gear for a jacked up price.  Oh and the Petrucci model Music Man, they have milked that cow for a decade now and show no signs of letting go of the teat.  Yes he is great player and writes some great music but his legion of fans are utterly agitating, rebuilding his rigs piece by piece (making it hard for me to find a nice Mark V anywhere), buying every iteration of his signature guitars when the only change is the style of knobs, claiming what was essentially a Numetal pickup as the perfect tonal center to build a guitar around, etc.

[Modular1]

Ive got a bc rich WMD warbeast. Yeah it's a bit ott for some tastes and people seem to slate bc rich guitars just because of the name and because people have played ones that have been cr@p.  Dunno if i got lucky but the one i own is a real great guitar. Its very well finished. The neck on it is absolutely gorgeous to play. It does metal and it does it well. I wouldn't expect it to do anything else really. It plays as well as my USA strat. It never goes out of tune. My warpigs make it $%&#ing scream!

The trouble with this kind of guitar is that player needs to look the part as much as the guitar to carry it off. Anyone can hold a strat/prs/les paul and not feel too self conscious.

Too much snobbery about really. At 36 i don't really give a shitee about what people might think about me owning a guitar as ott in style as this. I certainly couldn't carry it off image wise. I just wanted a spiky metal guitar to crank out some heavy riffs on. It does it's job well. Its certainly more satisfying to me to knock out celtic frost riffs on this guitar than it is on any other guitar i own. If anyone thinks me a tw@t for buying it then piss on them. Im sure they probably have something they think is the dogs bollocks that i may raise an eyebrow at.

[Stevepage]

Ive got a bc rich WMD warbeast. Yeah it's a bit ott for some tastes and people seem to slate bc rich guitars just because of the name and because people have played ones that have been cr@p.  Dunno if i got lucky but the one i own is a real great guitar. Its very well finished. The neck on it is absolutely gorgeous to play. It does metal and it does it well. I wouldn't expect it to do anything else really. It plays as well as my USA strat. It never goes out of tune. My warpigs make it $%&#ing scream!

The trouble with this kind of guitar is that player needs to look the part as much as the guitar to carry it off. Anyone can hold a strat/prs/les paul and not feel too self conscious.

Too much snobbery about really. At 36 i don't really give a shiteee about what people might think about me owning a guitar as ott in style as this. I certainly couldn't carry it off image wise. I just wanted a spiky metal guitar to crank out some heavy riffs on. It does it's job well. Its certainly more satisfying to me to knock out celtic frost riffs on this guitar than it is on any other guitar i own. If anyone thinks me a tw@t for buying it then piss on them. Im sure they probably have something they think is the dogs bollocks that i may raise an eyebrow at.

I think the reason why people slate BC Rich is because during the 90's and early 00's their quality control was terrible and the guitars being built were nothing like they were in the 70's and 80's. It's only in the past 2 - 3 years that BC Rich has started to pump out great guitars.

I owned a BC Rich Gunslinger reissue that played and sounded great, would like another in the future.

[dobbins]

I hate relic/road worn guitars, I just don't see the point to it. Since you can buy a battered guitar, it makes the real relics and heavily played guitars less special, and with the fake ones you lack the attachment that you would have with the instrument from playing it into that condition. In terms of racism, it ruins a guitar no matter what manufacturer it is.

[WezV]

its just a finish option!

there are loads of guitar finishes i dont like (mostly from dean) 

[Modular1]

Is this thread not just an outlet for guitar 'racism'?

Id just like to add that all the guitars i like are great and that all the guitars that other people like are shite.  8)

[AndyR]

I hate relic/road worn guitars, I just don't see the point to it. Since you can buy a battered guitar, it makes the real relics and heavily played guitars less special, and with the fake ones you lack the attachment that you would have with the instrument from playing it into that condition. In terms of racism, it ruins a guitar no matter what manufacturer it is.

:lol:

"I hate relic/road worn guitars, I just don't see the point to it." - Yeah, ok, cool.

"Since you can buy a battered guitar, it makes the real relics and heavily played guitars less special," - er, how?

 "and with the fake ones you lack the attachment that you would have with the instrument from playing it into that condition." - er, WRONG!! :lol:

But I'll let you off because, as this man says...

Is this thread not just an outlet for guitar 'racism'?

Id just like to add that all the guitars i like are great and that all the guitars that other people like are shitee.  8)

:lol: Spot on sir!

[Twinfan]

I hate relic/road worn guitars, I just don't see the point to it. Since you can buy a battered guitar, it makes the real relics and heavily played guitars less special, and with the fake ones you lack the attachment that you would have with the instrument from playing it into that condition.

A relic isn't a "fake" - it's as Wez says - a finish option.

I can get very attached to guitars after 50 seconds let alone 50 years.......

[dobbins]

I know it's a finish option, just that racially I think there's a time and a place for a every guitar... just not ones finished that way - I see it as the human equivalent of dressing a youth in plus fours. I hope that makes sense  :?

[Twinfan]

Not liking relics is fine - they're not for everyone.  Calling them fakes isn't really getting what they're about.

I see them as stonewashed denim jeans.  You can buy brand new, deep blue denims that are stiff and take some breaking in.  Or you can buy some that have been washed in a large container of rocks that fit like a glove instead  ;)

[Dmoney]

I wouldn't have thought that this is what relics are about either.
I mean, i don't think its about taking a guitar and breaking it in so that it plays better. I bet new guitars play just as well as relics. I bet some relics play terrible, just like some "new" versions of the same guitar. I believe it's purely aesthetic.