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Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« on: April 12, 2011, 02:33:23 AM »
What do you guys do when it feels more like repetition than expression?

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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2011, 06:31:37 AM »
I just got an learn a song that is completely out of the norm of what i normally play.

or try take a crack at something that i've always thought would be way too hard.

Generally seems to help me

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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2011, 10:56:34 AM »
I usually get obsessed by a new band and completely rip off their licks ;)
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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2011, 06:04:52 PM »
What do you guys do when it feels more like repetition than expression?
I usually take a day off, do another hobby, hang out with friends.

If you must play the guitar, then I usually try classical stuff or if you have other instruments I'd play those.

I get a lot of "repetition" feelings. Though sometimes "repetition" turns into "I really want to learn this damn solo," and then I start from 50% to 100% speed.

It works for me.
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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2011, 06:06:10 PM »
I've been in a rut for AGES. YEARS.
I've tried playing in bands and I keep flaking out.
I think what I'm after is good people to jam with and to work on ideas with. I'm also hoping changing my lifestyle outside of music will have a positive effect.

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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2011, 06:59:58 PM »
Play with new people. Listen to lots of different music. Rip off left right and centre!

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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2011, 09:01:19 PM »
Well, I have a really wide range of music I listen to. My playlists will have The Cars and Amon Amarth for instance....
I did learn the vocal parts of "Overkill" by Men at Work last night after posting. That was pretty fun trying to emulate voice with guitar and the challenge of ear learning it was consuming as well.

What else you guys got? These are some good pointers! :D

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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2011, 09:17:19 PM »
Another great thing i find is to just simply buy a new piece of gear.

pickups/pedals etc always seem to do it for me

nothing beats a new guitar though

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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2011, 11:22:50 PM »
Learn new music

New phrases new progressions, structural ideas etc etc etc etc

Theres always something new to learn. I never see why this is hard. "Isnt this the same shite I've been playing for a while now" being followed by "whats different that I like that I'd like to be able to play" followed by picking something followed by learning it and integrating it into your playing is just common sense, no?

Gear can help, yes. You get a vibe off something new or it allows a tone that facilitates a style that you couldnt really get before and you can go off on one with some new playing.

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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2011, 03:18:31 AM »
I don't think it's all about the learning formula, MDV. I don't associate "lack of some thing new to play" with being in a rut. That process you mention is a big part of the rut for most of us like Jonny stated. We can work on scales and sweeps and other's songs and whatnot, but it doesn't do much for the mental excitement you get when you write material that really gets your rocks off and sounds like "you" or "you at this time period." It feels good to play someone else's feelings as they do(or just learn the robot finger dance with some of the Metal and Jazz), but getting yourself into the guitar is the problem I'm trying to present. I don't mean like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC-49GnjdTE

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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2011, 06:35:33 AM »
I agree with the others-it is about going somewhere you've not gone before and you will pick up things that you can use. Obviously it isn't about going for something you dislike intensely but at the same time, don't dismiss it out of hand as there may be a technique/riff that you can incorporate into what you do like.
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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2011, 08:14:46 AM »
What else you guys got? These are some good pointers! :D

Listen to other instruments and try to copy the phrasing and feel. Sax and clarinet lines are good for this, copying the vibrato and "space" in a line played on a wind instrument is a lot harder than it sounds.

The thing that gets me out of a rut is keyboards, do you dabble with keys? I find that going back to an instrument I can't play very well breaks those old habits of playing the same riffs over and over.

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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2011, 03:36:24 PM »
Transposing other instruments to guitar is a good idea.

One thing that works for me is to re-learn songs I know, but in different keys or using different chord voicings. Even tuning down a half a step messes with your head.

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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2011, 02:13:51 AM »
Learn slide guitar in open tuning with the slide on your 4th finger. Now that's a challenge.

edit: meant STANDARD tuning, anyone can do open tuning slide
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Re: Breaking out of a rut in your playing
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2011, 03:53:04 AM »
I don't think it's all about the learning formula, MDV. I don't associate "lack of some thing new to play" with being in a rut. That process you mention is a big part of the rut for most of us like Jonny stated. We can work on scales and sweeps and other's songs and whatnot, but it doesn't do much for the mental excitement you get when you write material that really gets your rocks off and sounds like "you" or "you at this time period." It feels good to play someone else's feelings as they do(or just learn the robot finger dance with some of the Metal and Jazz), but getting yourself into the guitar is the problem I'm trying to present. I don't mean like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC-49GnjdTE

Which is where the 'new things that you like' comes in, followed by the 'integrate into your own playing'. Why you would read me suggesting you find something different that you'd like to play and integrate it into your own playing and reply with 'but I dont want to play things I dont like, or bore me' I dont know.

We're all, as guitarists, the sum of our influences and what we've learned filtered and adapted by our own tastes and sensibilities, what gets our rocks off. That starts, has to start, with the dry music and technical form of it, even if its very simple music. I'm not talking about tech death metal or jazz here. You learn what it is, musically and mechanically and when you have that grip of the foundation of it, you can start to play with the basic new ideas you've just learned with the vibe and feel that you want them to have, or find they can have, within your own musical idiom.

I'm finding it very difficult here to see agreement between eschewing learning new techniques, fingerings, musical ideas and being a creative guitarist. It, to my mind, is like saying "I not know how express myself on words from mouth" and then refusing to learn grammar and develop your vocabulary.

my 2p. If you still dont see what I'm trying to say here theres nothing more I can say to try to help you.