Axe fx II is out

[Transcend]

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[nfe]

No date that I could find, but Sweetw@ter does have it up on their site. Some good photos of the thing in higher resolution, too.

http://www.sweetw@ter.com/store/detail/ProfilingAmp/

What's with the @? Can't seem to get that out of the link.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProfilingAmp/

There you go. Though folks still have to cut/paste it because my cheat still disrupts the link.

[FELINEGUITARS]

s####!!horpe

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Scunthorpe?

[Johnny Mac]

There is a Kemper Facebook page. June this year could be the launch date.
It certainly caused a bit of a stink on the Ax Fx forum!

[Johnny Mac]

There is a interview in this video on how it works but I'm none the wiser  :?

http://www.musotalk.de/event-reports/video/article/musikmesse-2011-kemper-profiling-amplifier/p

[JacksonRR]

From the Kemper website:

We spent considerable time researching the dynamic behavior of the tube. It was also necessary to study the interactions between the tube and surrounding circuits, which become very complex when the tube starts to distort. We were lucky to find a way to extract this exact tube behavior by analyzing the intermodulation products of crossing sine sweeps. The relation between the intermodulations and the unprocessed sine sweeps tell us the full story about the distortion shape and dynamic of the tube and the behavior of the surrounding circuit. It can even deliver the information about several distortion stages in a row, so long as there is only one stage significantly distorting. This measurement is independent of the frequency response of the amplifier. Once the distorting part has been analyzed, it can be separated from the transfer function. The frequency response of the cabinet is then easy to determine and separate.

Aside from the ease of profiling the whole amp, there is another good reason not to analyze the amp part by part: we capture the sound of every component at the place where it belongs, including all interactions between the components.

[Frank]

Still seems like a lot of effort to produce an imperfect model of a tube amp. For all the clever mathematics and expensive custom chips and simulated circuitry, there still has never been a modelling amp system that sounds and feels the same as a real valve circuit, especially not at the first onset of audible distortion. And there never will be.

Soory but I just never find simulations of things quite as satisfying as the real thing.

Just sayin.

[JacksonRR]

Still seems like a lot of effort to produce an imperfect model of a tube amp. For all the clever mathematics and expensive custom chips and simulated circuitry, there still has never been a modelling amp system that sounds and feels the same as a real valve circuit, especially not at the first onset of audible distortion. And there never will be.

Soory but I just never find simulations of things quite as satisfying as the real thing.

Just sayin.

That's a helpful thing to say, really. Eventually, it will happen. Maybe not today, but somewhere in time there will be the exact digital equivalent. Until then, skepticism and nitpicking will passively create the advances.

[nfe]

Still seems like a lot of effort to produce an imperfect model of a tube amp. For all the clever mathematics and expensive custom chips and simulated circuitry, there still has never been a modelling amp system that sounds and feels the same as a real valve circuit, especially not at the first onset of audible distortion. And there never will be.

One day there almost certainly will. And as such, every step getting there is worthwhile.

[Johnny Mac]

Digital cameras and video managed to edge out analogue, so I cant see why it wont in amps and effects.
I love the sound and responce of a valve amp too but owning loads & loads of lovely expensive amps in the form of different profiles that, could be very close to the original amp in a small unit would be something very lovely to have.

[Frank]

I just think the software engineers that design these are barking up the wrong tree by believing that their simulations can ever fully model the sound of a tube. Every time I've had to use a modelling amp I've thought to myself ... ok, nice programmable EQ, but why not just put a tube in there?

It would save so much effort and expense and it would sound better. The best solution is the simplest.

[JacksonRR]

Oh, they will and it will be ridiculous the amount of control you'll have. The thing to remember here is that software only has to be written and then it's almost cost free to distribute. Saying it's completely impossible to convert these processes and signals into a workable algorithm isn't really giving a lot of credit to those with a greater understanding than you or I. Sure, a group of kids from MIT could probably whip this up and completely blow your mind in a few years, but it's better for us as a whole that they stay on course and work on the very important technologies. Digital amplifiers aren't going to go away because they are not as good right now. The incredibly inexpensive and accurate product they will eventually become is too promising to those that stand to profit. To say it will never be is a bit backwards. No one is making you purchase anything and you are free to make your decisions based on all you have, but to say never ever ever going to happen? That's just sticking up for the money you've already spent, although it was not spent badly.

[JDC]

Scunthorpe?

I think it's safe to say I'm the only one here born in sunny scunny

[MDV]

I just think the software engineers that design these are barking up the wrong tree by believing that their simulations can ever fully model the sound of a tube. Every time I've had to use a modelling amp I've thought to myself ... ok, nice programmable EQ, but why not just put a tube in there?

It would save so much effort and expense and it would sound better. The best solution is the simplest.

Vox did. The tonelabs have a 12AX7 in there. Sounds and feels more natural to me than any other modeller I've used. Still inadequte to me, in various ways, so I moved on.

I believe zoom have done similarly with somethingorother, I forget, not really interested, just aware of it.