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Author Topic: Ooh, the new PRS Private Stock "Signature" guitars are hitting the shelves!  (Read 36806 times)

dave_mc

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yeah, see to me that makes me not want one. Mesa is another that springs to mind.

If I can (theoretically- I realise a lot of the time brands refuse to let their dealers export... I have no idea why that might be :lol: ) import one, while paying retail prices for shipping, and paying all the VAT and customs charges, for much less than I can buy one in a dealer here, there's something wrong somewhere.

Philly Q

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It probably still is cheaper to buy a PRS from the USA than in the UK (shop prices).

Although it's preferable to try the guitar first, especially an expensive one, I'm sure you'd agree.

But what are Gibson markups like?  A new Les Paul Traditional or '08 Standard is about £1,800 now, that's not far off PRS prices (in fact it's a lot more than the PRS models I personally buy, but then I'm not comparing like with like).

And wouldn't the same UK/US price disparity be true of, I dunno, a Mesa amp?  Surely PRS aren't the worst offenders.
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nfe

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My recollection was that nothing else came close to the PRS markups. I think it was a punter was arguing he could import one with all taxes vastly cheaper than the best deal we could do, so we'd worked it out and were amazed. Gibson price difference between the US and UK came down after Rosetti vanished (though the guitars themselves got more expensive, and the supply managed to get even worse, and Rosetti were a joke...) and weren't ever as big.

Mesa has a big difference, too, yeah. Various PA manufacturers. Maybe Martin too. But in terms of electric guitars, at that stage PRS were the worst by a long way. I've not worked in guitar shops for a year and a half though.

Also, the above was the case when I was working for Sound Control, who got the cheapest prices on pretty much everything, it's not like I'm basing it on a small independent who got hammered because they only bought three or four guitars from these companies a year.

dave_mc

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Although it's preferable to try the guitar first, especially an expensive one, I'm sure you'd agree.

true but then i can't really try a prs here anyway. :lol: aside from the cost of returns (which is admittedly a lot more costly to the US), i'd be buying unseen whether i buy from england or america, lol.

Twinfan

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So UK PRS buyers are clowns eh nfe? Great way to make friends on a guitar forum!   :lol:

I think the exchange rate situation is a bit different now, plus I'm happy to support the good UK companies I buy from for guitars, car parts etc.
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nfe

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With the price difference in mind, I tend to think so, yeah. I don't imagine it has any more impact on making friends than when I tell people the same in person, other than not being able to read tone of voice. Mind you, this is the only guitar forum I post on anymore as the vast majority of people on guitar forums I'd never want to be friends with :lol:

I'm keen to buy from UK stores, but if presented with the chance to buy a guitar i wanted from abroad cheaper than my choice UK stores can even buy it from a supplier, I think I'd be a mentalist not to.

Twinfan

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That's fine for cheaper stuff, but I don't think I'd want to risk £3000+ for a CS Les Paul (for example) to international couriers.  Insurance is fine, but it's the hassle if something goes wrong  :(

nfe

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The potential for a massive pain in the arse is obviously a factor, yeah. But for several hundred pound savings, worth it, I'd reckon.

PhilKing

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The potential for a massive pain in the arse is obviously a factor, yeah. But for several hundred pound savings, worth it, I'd reckon.
You can get a ticket to NY, try out lots of guitars, buy one, take it back as carry on baggage (BA let you do that), all for less than the UK price.  The exchange rate is 1.65 now, and the US prices on a lot of guitars are less than the UK prices, just in numbers (i.e. $1000 vs. £1000).  Second hand guitars are even better value.
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Philly Q

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The potential for a massive pain in the arse is obviously a factor, yeah. But for several hundred pound savings, worth it, I'd reckon.
You can get a ticket to NY, try out lots of guitars, buy one, take it back as carry on baggage (BA let you do that), all for less than the UK price.  The exchange rate is 1.65 now, and the US prices on a lot of guitars are less than the UK prices, just in numbers (i.e. $1000 vs. £1000).  Second hand guitars are even better value.

What happens at Customs back in Blighty?  Declare it as something you've purchased, or bluff your way through?  "Look, it's old, obviously I didn't just buy it!"
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Twinfan

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Legally, you should declare it and stump up the 3.7% import duty and the 20% VAT on top of that.  The total cost of guitar for any comparison is then:

Flight + one night accomodation and local transport + ((guitar*1.037)*1.2)

Let's take the brand new PRS Studio as an example, $3123 at Wilcutts (not in NYC, but a decent price example).

www.willcuttguitars.com/paul-reed-smith/studio/prs-studio-22-black-gold-wrap-10-top-981

Using www.xe.com for a price conversion and rounded to the nearest pound:

£400 + £100 + ((1935*1.037)*1.2) = £2908

Studios in the UK are £2749, so clearly cheaper.

www.guitars4you.co.uk/product-detail.php?id=324

Unless the 8.875% sales tax can be deducted if the guitar is heading out of the state?

£400 + £100 + (((1935/1.08875)*1.037))*1.2 = £2712

Hardly worth the bother for a £37 saving  :lol:


Philly Q

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Hardly worth the bother for a £37 saving  :lol:

Yeah, but what an adventure, eh?  :wink:
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Twinfan

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I'd rather have a trip to Mark's place in Debyshire!

dave_mc

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yeah i'm guessing they'd let you take the sales tax off.

though i guess you could argue that you got the guitar and a trip to new york for the same price. Though if you're only going for the day it won't be much of a holiday :lol:

Twinfan

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It would be cheaper to ship one over, rather than fly out, but the manufacturers don't allow that kind of distributer under-cutting and could lose their dealership.