Dale Farm

[Afghan Dave]

I advise you to stop guessing what the experiences of any group that you are not a part of might be.

I also think it unwise for any individual to speak for a group they are part of unless they have a mandate.

Speak for yourself and expect to be judged as an individual is my motto...

[nfe]

Guffaw. What guesses was I making there? Was it not socially acceptable once upon a time to badmouth certain ethnicities? Have I guessed that?

Nor am I speaking for any group. I'm commenting on reasons why a division is in place with this particular community that leads to it further separating itself.

Expecting to be treated as an individual is all fine and well, but if others treat you as a single entity, and negatively, folks are inclined to band together, and some are indeed likely then to live up to the stereotype imposed upon them. This is hardly a questionable observation.

EDIT: And by all means answer my question. Because if those things weren't ok, I'm curious why we shouldn't care about the same type of opinions being held about travelers?

[Frank]

I'm enjoying this thread.

[Afghan Dave]

"Was it not socially acceptable once upon a time to badmouth certain ethnicities? Have I guessed that?"

Yes you are guessing that.

Was it more prevalent? Yes.
Was it right? Never.

Good people didn't do it then and good people don't do it now!

Is it right to criticise lawbreakers of ANY race religion or community? YES!

Is segregation right? NO - It is either racism or inverted racism.

You obviously believe in some sort of moral relativism. That what is right or wrong changes over time or between cultures.

If that's your standpoint I think we've found the "mental block" you're suffering from.

It's OK you're not alone there are many like you. You are part of a "community" of moral relativists.  :lol:

[nfe]

I said socially acceptable, I did not say right.

Regards moral relativism, there is no objective morality, so all morality is subjective and relative.

And it isn't remotely a guess on that point, it's a fact.

Edit: I also agree with Frank, it's jolly fun.

[Afghan Dave]

Regards moral relativism, there is no objective morality, so all morality is subjective and relative.

And it isn't remotely a guess on that point, it's a fact.

That's fine, I already said it was OK.

We've spent alot of time uncovering the justification behind your perspective on Dale Farm. And now I see it is underpinned by moral relativism.

I've never been convinced of moral relativism.  But each to his own

May I add that after many years of talking with and studying Moral Relativists not one has called it a FACT.

You seem alot more confident of your FACTS than any of the deontologists I've studied. So when your work gets published I promise to read it with vigour.

Back on topic....

THE LAW IS NOT RELATIVE - THE PEOPLE ON DALE FARM BROKE IT.

[nfe]

I didn't call moral relativism a fact (though I suppose my lack of specifity might make it read like that) Though I think, is you're an atheist, it is.

And yes, they broke the law. I don't mean to excuse that, just argue that it's understandable given the circumstances.

[Philly Q]

I'm enjoying this thread.

I'm not.  Don't know why I'm reading it really.

(Philly No Mates   :| )

[MrBump]

I'm enjoying this thread.

I'm not.  Don't know why I'm reading it really.

(Philly No Mates   :| )

Shhh...  It's Daves go now.

[Philly Q]

 :lol:

[Johnny Mac]

What pickups for Pikey-Metal?

[nfe]

Mules, defo.

[Afghan Dave]

What pickups for Pikey-Metal?

Stolen ones nailed into a guitar to stop anyone from removing them... They wont work either.  :lol:

[MrBump]

Irish Tourers, surely..?

[Afghan Dave]

And the prize goes to Mr Bump  PDT_015

The man who started it has finished it with aplomb..