nickleback- money lovers or not?

[Dakine]

Look at it this way.

I hold several belts in Martial Arts and used to compete.
When someone won a title, did that make them the Best/Champion? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
There is ALWAYS someone who does not want/need to compete,go into public eye who is BETTER.

Same with musicians. There is ALWAYS someone better.

If you choose to play out in a band, then go pro., you have made a choice.

Good luck to ya.

But business is business!

[chrisola]

Overkill, Destruction, VoiVod, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Hammerfall, Cradle OF Filth, Judas Priest... all successfull bands who never sold out, and always kept doing what they want and enjoy! (theres more, those are my metally biased names i had to to hand :P).

I disagree with dakine (maybe cos i like bands who have always done what they wanted... and even lost record contracts because of not doing like they were told... and bands who self release alot and whos record labels are simply a means of distributing their music to bigger audience)

And i disagree with those who confuse selling out with 'gaining popularity'.

And with those who bash bands which pop up during trends..

 eg Bullet For My Valentine were VERY well known and respected just for their live performances way before the whole 'melodic hardcore' (or whatever) trend came out about.
The reason bands 'pop up suddenly' is that once ONE band makes waves and starts selling, every record company wants a piece of the cake and scours bars\pubs\the live scene to find a similar band whos pretty good.. then they make them an offer, shove mr marketing behind them and hey presto they appear on TV aswell! Just happens some are better than others...

Its not selling out, its being able to do what you love and get paid for it.

A sell out would be: "hey, you guys cut your hair, and sing this song our producer wrote and we'll give you money and let you have some of your own tracks on the cd aswell!!"

[dave_mc]

^i agree with chrisola

i still say nickelback sold out, though, on the basis that i used to like them and now they suck.

[_tom_]

^i agree with chrisola

i still say nickelback sold out, though, on the basis that i used to like them and now they suck.

+1 pretty much. Now lets end this thread before it gets violent  :lol:

[Ratrod]

There's nothing wrong with being on the radio. Ask yourself the following question: Where will Nickelback be in 20 years?

What's 'in' today is 'out' tomorrow.

Have listen to some well known classic albums. All of them still sound fresh today.

[HJM]

:roll:

[Dakine]

I was merely trying to make a sweeping (but often quite accurate) statement.
Sure "some" bands DO manage to retain intergrety, but many (due to their management,knowledge,leverage etc.) get badgered/made to do the "puppet" thing for the bean counters :)

ANyway, this whole thing is about moot.

Like NB, buy their stuff.

Don't like em then don't :)

[sambo]

good summary there dakine to finally draw this to a close! lol.

[Bainzy]

3. If you were given free PRS to play, would'nt you?

No - nothing can take me away from my custom guitar. I can tell you now that nothing they could give me would be able to match it, this axe is made for me inside and out. I chose every single little part so it has exactly what I'd want from guitar. If I was made to play anything else on stage, I'd smash it up or something so I had to use my custom instead.

[Ratrod]

3. If you were given free PRS to play, would'nt you?

No - nothing can take me away from my custom guitar. I can tell you now that nothing they could give me would be able to match it, this axe is made for me inside and out. I chose every single little part so it has exactly what I'd want from guitar. If I was made to play anything else on stage, I'd smash it up or something so I had to use my custom instead.

I like to choose my guitar, I don't want a guitar to choose me.

[sambo]

yer but if you were offered free prs' then you wouldnt turn them down... you could just use it once on a song in a recording studio or something its not like you would be dramatically affected and have to change your gear completely. i spose there are some people that can honestly say they wouldnt accept free guitars and i commend them for that but if i was, no matter if i had a better guitar or not, i would DEFINATELY still take them.

[Dakine]

C'mon guys, this is getting silly!

EVH uses a Peavy, why? Cos they specd it like the EBMM that was computer designed for him and he already had a Peavy contract. I bet it's not a "standard" peavy though.

Alot here like Vai, he uses an Ibanez, why? Cos they asked him what he wanted and made it for him. Does he get them free? I reckon.

Not to mention Mr. I am everywhere and mostly drunk Wylde.

Maybe NB gets their PRS modded, maybe not. Point is, Product placement and sponsorship are part of the B U S I N E S S . C'mon, say it with me, you know you can :) ALOT (not ALL!!!!!!!, good lord gotta write like a darn lawyer now for fear of qoutations) successful bands/musicians make money by product endorsement. Does this mean you or I can purchase that exact same instrument? Sometimes but often not as exactly modded I would guess.

I am better with cars LOL (my upbringing). Do you think a Mitsubishi Evo VIII is the SAME rally car used in WRC? Hmmmm, nope. But is it marketed as a WRC rally car for the masses, hmmm, yep.

Stop nitty picking. Either like NB or don't.

I stand by seeing them live and enjoying myself. Do I worship them, have their posters on my wall, line up at 6am when their new cd comes out? NO! But I enjoyed their show.
Do I think they "sold out" ? I don't BL**DY care. I liked their show :)

Would I, if in the postion of being offered several guitars by several major comapnies take an endorsement? Probably YES.

1. They are free and come with $$$$$$$$$$$
2. They have almost infinate backup. Sure, nice to have your favourite guitar but if it is your almost Daily tool for work, hate for it to break,get lost etc. (dunno how Angus copes!!!!).
3. They are Customised.
4. You get Lots of em.

Downside, you have to do mag. and personal appearances for them :( uugghhh.

But, who cares. Good lord. To be bl**dy honest NB are Canadians which to the people here (in US) makes em second rate human beings anyway ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dakine]

P.S. on the old adage All Press/Coverage is Good Press/Coverage, to the casual reader/poster here NB are getting some real GOOD press by creating such a stir :)

[sambo]

yer i think i've never really been one for the idea that music is all about the attitude/passion and the WAY you do things- i just care about whether i like the sound of something or not... a lot of people get pissed off about bands 'selling out' and being too manufactured but i really couldnt care less about that- (i know most 'hardcore' rock fans will be in outrage right now) i just listen to music i like and dont listen to stuff i dont like- and for me music doesnt go much further than that. i mean its not as if i take offense if a band takes loads of endorsements or changes its style- they have the right to do that and if i dont like how they change then ill just listen to something else. i think too many people believe in the whole "without us theyd be nothing and they have a commitment to stay loyal to us, the fans" thing which i personally think is a load of bo***cks- bands dont have any responsibility to keep true to their "roots" or whatever- they can do exactly what they want and if that means taking every endorsement they can get their hands on and becoming a pop band then thats their choice. its kind of strange actually how a lot of people have been saying that they dont like bands that are manufactured and get told what to do but respect bands that do what they want- well what if a band WANTS to change its style and does it regardless of its fans? most of the people i just described would probably say they are selling out or being disloyal to their fans so its a lose/lose situation for the band- stick with what they are doing to please the fans (which could not be what they really want to do- which could be seen as being money-loving) or take their music in the direction they want to go and be accused of being disloyal to the fans and selling out.

[Kilby]

Just to chuck in my $0.02 artistic integrety dosn't make you rich (not very often anyway).

However if you are a commercial success not every track you do has to be pre chewed pap.

If you have commercial success you are in a position to produce worthwhile album tracks and B sides. As long as the record company get their 2 or 3 singles of an album they don't seem to give a shite.

Look at the Police if you want to see a band that had albums full of filler, apart from the singles their quality control was non existant.

As for songs it's not just the content but they way there preformed that also matters after all Richard Thompson does a killer version of 'Oops I did it again' and The Lords of the New church did an amazing version of Like a Virgin

However for all those who like me can't stand fake angst, anger and alienation try this from a couple of years ago.

http://media.skoopy.com/vids/vid_00174.wmv

I feel so angry that I lave to put up with being paid to travel around the world, the girls, and the sponsorship deals :(

Kilby...