Thrash Amp

[Thrull]

ampeg VL1002. enough said

[JacksonRR]

I've deleted several attempts at a concise and informative post without going to far in any one direction. In response to your last post..... Go play it first, man. Just hear it with your own guitar and your own hands and then decide if something needs fixing or if it's even the amp for you at all.

[dave_mc]

I want to make one thing clear: I just want to be able to turn the amp up to about 4 or 5 so that the tubes can get the best sound out. I'm not looking to turn it up above that.

and as i thought i made clear in your other thread, with most valve amps, 4 or 5 more or less is full volume. they normally only get more saturated above that.

4 or 5 with a lower wattage tube amp is still LOUD, certainly in a home environment.

:)

I know you've heard a lot of people say that tube amps need to be turned up to sound good (and to a certain extent and for certain applications that's true), but don't forget, a lot of people saying that either play a type of music where power tube distortion is more desirable, or use amps where it's more of a necessity.

[Dr.Pain]

4 or 5 on a 6505 is going to hurt your ears in a bedroom environment.

[Sancho]

The 5150/6505 gets most of its tone from the preamp.
I've had three, and they all sounded roughly the same, no matter how loud they were. Of course, set to a whisper they didn't sound very good, but the speaker plays some part in that as well.

The 6505+ combo seems to me to be designed for lower volume use, even with its 60w power rating. I've never owned one, but gave one in the store a pretty thorough testing. It sounded quite good at store friendly levels, which isn't all that loud.

I could also recommend the Carvin V3MC, but I don't want to sound like a zealot :D

[awesomeguy666]

Alright, thanks.
So currently in consideration: Peavey 6505+, Peavey Triple XXX, Marshall JCM800
I'm going for a tone similar to Sodom's Agent Orange, Sadus's Chemical Exposure, Kreator's Enemy of God (with a little less bass), Tankard's Beast of Bourbon, and Exodus's Bonded by Blood.
For good examples of tone from each album (in order): Agent Orange, Certain Death, Enemy of God, Die With a Beer in Your Hand, A Lesson In Violence.
I really love the definition heard in Bonded by Blood, but I also want the "presence" heard in Chemical Exposure, Enemy of God (with a little less bass), and Beast of Bourbon.
I know that part of the tone comes from technique, which is why I've been working for the past few months to perfect my picking articulation.
Again, thanks a lot for your help.

[awesomeguy666]

ampeg VL1002. enough said

How about an AMPEG SS-140C or VH-140C? I found a few covers on YouTube and I love the tone. I couldn't find any good vids (showing thrash/death tones) for the V-1002.

[JacksonRR]

Here's a modern recording of a 5150 playing thrash riffs in standard with EMGs(81/85).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbGNfJM5wyw&feature=relmfu
Same band, same guitarists using Seymour Duncans(JB and ?neck?) and Marshalls, JVM for the rhythm and Plexi on the leads, iirc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXdPoL1yQsA&feature=relmfu

Hopefully that can clear things up some about what sort of gain structure you are looking for. All of those bands you listed use different amps. Mostly Marshally and Peaveyish sounds so, unless you're looking for several amps, pick one. I'd lean towards the 5150/6505 for your needs.

[awesomeguy666]

Thanks for those links. I'm now leaning towards the Peavey 6505 because it has a tighter tone, and in my opinion, it blends in with the double bass better. Also I like the sound of the downpicked palm-muted notes a lot more on the Peavey.
EDIT: I just found an AMPEG VH-140C 2x12 Combo on Craigslist for $450. There's a good chance I'll get it.

[Thrull]

ampeg VL1002. enough said

How about an AMPEG SS-140C or VH-140C? I found a few covers on YouTube and I love the tone. I couldn't find any good vids (showing thrash/death tones) for the V-1002.

the solid stae amps are afmous for death metal tone, but they are not loud enough at all for what i do. the VL series is basically a super hot rodded marshall witha a realliy nice clean channel too. Lee Jackson designed them and was pretty much single handedly responsible for the beginning of high gain amp movement in the late 80's. They are relatvily inexpensive and to me sound way better than  most amps 3x the price. I would buy them over any ENGL, recto, mark series, 5150, marshall, orange, rivera, if i were playing metal. to be honest there are only a handfull of amps i like better than it and they're way more expensive than it. the VHT pittbull, Bogner uberschall, Fortin, bones, Saldano SLO, Yamaha T100, Knucklehead tre, and the new Houghs and ketner

[awesomeguy666]

Alright, thanks for that bit of info. However, I'd still like to know the difference between the VL1002, the VH-140C and the SS-140C. Thanks, man.
Also, I am very strongly leaning towards the VH-140C from the demos I've seen. I found a 2x12 combo on my local Craigslist for $450.

[wolfenstein]

Alright, thanks.
So currently in consideration: Peavey 6505+, Peavey Triple XXX, Marshall JCM800
I'm going for a tone similar to Sodom's Agent Orange, Sadus's Chemical Exposure, Kreator's Enemy of God (with a little less bass), Tankard's Beast of Bourbon, and Exodus's Bonded by Blood.
For good examples of tone from each album (in order): Agent Orange, Certain Death, Enemy of God, Die With a Beer in Your Hand, A Lesson In Violence.
I really love the definition heard in Bonded by Blood, but I also want the "presence" heard in Chemical Exposure, Enemy of God (with a little less bass), and Beast of Bourbon.
I know that part of the tone comes from technique, which is why I've been working for the past few months to perfect my picking articulation.
Again, thanks a lot for your help.

It looks that you are almost on Marshall side..Boosted JCM 800/900 were used on most records in that era...However Exodus used XXX after Marshalls and now they play Engls but they still use moded Marshalls in studio..Mile Petrosa from Kreator plays Engls as well...5150/6505 is quite popular amp these days and if you want that modern brutal tone go for it...But for bands which you mentioned I would choose XXX no doubt...Engl Blackmore or Savage will do job well too..

[awesomeguy666]

Alright, thanks. That gives me 3 amps to try out at GC: the XXX (or 3120), 6505, and the Crate GX-130C, which I've heard is the same thing as the Ampeg VH-140C. Again, thanks for all of your help.

[awesomeguy666]

Alright, thanks.
So currently in consideration: Peavey 6505+, Peavey Triple XXX, Marshall JCM800
I'm going for a tone similar to Sodom's Agent Orange, Sadus's Chemical Exposure, Kreator's Enemy of God (with a little less bass), Tankard's Beast of Bourbon, and Exodus's Bonded by Blood.
For good examples of tone from each album (in order): Agent Orange, Certain Death, Enemy of God, Die With a Beer in Your Hand, A Lesson In Violence.
I really love the definition heard in Bonded by Blood, but I also want the "presence" heard in Chemical Exposure, Enemy of God (with a little less bass), and Beast of Bourbon.
I know that part of the tone comes from technique, which is why I've been working for the past few months to perfect my picking articulation.
Again, thanks a lot for your help.

It looks that you are almost on Marshall side..Boosted JCM 800/900 were used on most records in that era...However Exodus used XXX after Marshalls and now they play Engls but they still use moded Marshalls in studio..Mile Petrosa from Kreator plays Engls as well...5150/6505 is quite popular amp these days and if you want that modern brutal tone go for it...But for bands which you mentioned I would choose XXX no doubt...Engl Blackmore or Savage will do job well too..

I read that Mille Petrozza played a Peavey 6505 in studio for one of Kreator's albums. Also, note my budget. The ENGL's are WAY out of my range. I rather like the modern brutal tone, as you put it, just as long as I have my picking articulation heard.

[wolfenstein]

Yeah Engl are bit overpriced you´re right and quite modern sounding too but you can find some good deals in europe...If you are located in USA then Peavey 5150 seems to me best choice...I wouldn´t overlook some Mesa models as well because you can get them there realy cheap....