No ticket.....

[FELINEGUITARS]

 I really hope the vigilante arsehole gets charged and the conductor loses his job.

Really?
Is that what you think Neil or are you just being provocative?

Why should the poor conductor lose his job?
He was frustrated that he was nigh on powerless to do much about the kid.

I think the big fella did maybe overstep his bounds in the degree of force that he used but he only did what most of the passengers being delayed wished they had the guts to do .

What would have been better would have been for ALL the passengers collectively to have stood up and made the kid get off the train so they could get to their destination relatively on time.

Most people are sick of one or two silly individuals spoiling things for the rest of us.

[nfe]

Nothing would have happened had the conductor not been goading other passengers with all his "all these people will be getting annoyed" repeatedly. His obligation on the train is to have the BTP called, not to involve himself in an argument (regardless of who started it) and leave it at that. He also, arguably, involves himself in the actual throwing of the train of the "fare-dodger" who may have been issued a wrong ticket and actually paid for the journey.

I would note, he shouldn't be getting thrown off at all, even if he doesn't have a valid ticket, he should just be asked to buy one or to pay at the station he arrives at.

[Dmoney]

what should have happened, is the conductor should have called the british transport police to be at the next stop. They could have done their job. The conductor didn't care about anyone else on the train he just got irate at the kid. there must be training or company policy which doesn't involve stopping the train until the guy gets off or leaving the train stationary until BTP arrive. So a word from his boss is probably needed. Frustrated or not, he should be able to deal with the situation more effectively than he did.

As for the other people, maybe most of the people in that carriage thought it was wrong for them to man handle someone off a train? maybe the woman sat with her kids right by that guy was worried about the safety of her kids? If i tried to drag someone off a train and someones kid got hurt, i doubt they would turn around and say "good job mate, i wish I could of done that, my kid got hurt but hey ho, you were doing your best to help the rest of us, my 4 year old can take one for the team".

I've only ever used public transport and ive seen bad stuff happen but ive never seen scores of faredogers holding up trains so I don't believe that it's super common. Bendy buses where by FAR worse. I've seen the CRAZIEST stuff happen on bendy buses and nobody bat an eyelid mainly because everyone is terrified. Much worse than a skinny runt sitting on a train.

[richard]

What were Bendy Buses and what was so bad about them ?

[FELINEGUITARS]

What were Bendy Buses and what was so bad about them ?

They have 3 sets of doors and no conductor
They relied upon people being honest and paying for a ticket
A big majority didn't and they were considered a free bus by many

Often thieves would wait till one pulled up and opened it's doors , leap on and grab someones iPhone, bag or laptop and jump off again and run off

They have been taken out of service in London now as they lost revenue through nobody paying for a ticket

they were also very good at squashing cyclists as they went round corners

[sweetumair]

for which match or concert these tickets are?

[Philly Q]

They have been taken out of service in London now as they lost revenue through nobody paying for a ticket

Apart from the fare dodging issue, I think they also held up traffic. 

Central London has so many traffic lights, so close together..... in slow traffic, it seemed like the bendy bus drivers would hold back, even at a green light, in case they got stuck blocking a junction when the lights changed.

Traffic flow is still terrible, but I think it's got a little better the last couple of years.

[WezV]

Frustrated or not, he should be able to deal with the situation more effectively than he did.

well we all have bad days.  the guy had probably already dealt with the problem more reasonably  every day for the last 10 years.  the difference is now we live in a society where your off days get recorded and posted on youtube for a million people to see

[Chris]

Frustrated or not, he should be able to deal with the situation more effectively than he did.

well we all have bad days.  the guy had probably already dealt with the problem more reasonably  every day for the last 10 years.  the difference is now we live in a society where your off days get recorded and posted on youtube for a million people to see

I've had plenty of 'bad days', but I've never assaulted a customer no matter how much of an off day I was having!

[shobet]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16229921

[WezV]

Frustrated or not, he should be able to deal with the situation more effectively than he did.

well we all have bad days.  the guy had probably already dealt with the problem more reasonably  every day for the last 10 years.  the difference is now we live in a society where your off days get recorded and posted on youtube for a million people to see

I've had plenty of 'bad days', but I've never assaulted a customer no matter how much of an off day I was having!

did the train driver assault anyone?

i agree the big guy shouldn't have thrown the kid of the train as forcefully as he did and that the train driver could have handled it better.   

but real life in the heat of the moment isnt so idealistic.  who can honestly say they have never had a bad day and handled a situation poorly because of it?

[FELINEGUITARS]

Edited because of more rational answers later in thread ...

I just want to standby the principle that folks should pay for their tickets on transport
and that they should face the consequences of their actions if they choose not to
But agree with later sentiments that this should be  tackled properly by the BTP or whatever official parties without delaying or cancelling services for other passengers.

I should maybe stay out of threads like this .......... I start to sound like the middle aged chap that I am

[Philly Q]

i agree the big guy shouldn't have thrown the kid of the train as forcefully as he did and that the train driver could have handled it better.   

but real life in the heat of the moment isnt so idealistic.  who can honestly say they have never had a bad day and handled a situation poorly because of it?

I'm still not sure which "side" I'm on here, but the people making the big man out to be some kind of violent vigilante thug are wide of the mark.  It looks to me like he tries to remain as calm as he can.

And yes, we all have bad days.  Just yesterday, I got stressed out at work over something trivial, because I had too many other things to do, and started swearing at everyone then stomped down five flights of stairs and back up again, kicking all the fire escape doors on the way.

Felt a bit of a fool afterwards.  :oops:  :lol:

[nfe]

I think if anything that's probably a good example of why conductors shouldn't tackle problematic people themselves or exacerbate situations, rather simply contact the BTP and let them get on with things. And I imagine incidents like that are exactly why they'll have policies telling them to go the latter route.

[Oli]

I've been on a bus where there was an issue (mouthy 'kid' gets on whilst eating fried chicken, driver refuses to let him on, kid kicks off and doesn't leave), the driver called for the Police, and in the 25minutes that we were waiting, nothing at all.... we all just waited for the next bus, and hopped on (including the fried chicken kid, didn't pay either).

People that don't wish to abide by the rules of public transport, deserve to get any punishment that comes their way. Fare dodgers just make everyone elses' life a misery.