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Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« on: January 06, 2012, 07:01:21 AM »
Ok so after pouring over every scr@p of information I could find on the internet about this amp, I was finally able to play it. This review is pretty long, but this amp has so many channels and features that I'm just scratching the surface! (skip to the last two paragraphs if you just want a condensed review/my final verdict):

First of all, this amp has a ton of features, and so I'm not going to go over all of them here. It basically is a three channel amp with three distinct modes per channel, effectively making it nine amps in one. While that is perhaps a bit of an overstatement, as all of these channels share power tubes, etc, it does give you a lot of tonal options. Anyway, on to the important part, the tone.

To start off with, this amp has some excellent clean channels. Channel One in the Clean mode is pristine, clear, and balanced. Basically it is a very neutral tube driven clean channel that you can eq to taste. In my opinion, it is one of the best clean channels I have run across. Channel One with the Fat mode engaged is basically the Clean mode, but with more prominent lows/low mids. It was great for fattening up clean single note playing, and I liked it even better than the Clean mode. Unfortunately, I didn't actually use the Tweed setting, so I can't help you there.

On to Channel Two. This channel is mainly a mid gain/crunch channel. The first two settings are Edge and Crunch. Edge has a very lean distortion that seems to be more focused in the high mids. It does a good Marshall crunch sound. Crunch moves the emphasis from the high mids to the low mids, but it still covers the same ground when it comes to the level of gain. Finally, there is the Mark I mode. This is my absolute favorite mode on the amp. It is thick, full bodied, and very smooth. Tonally, it is very dark and present in the lows/low mids. I liked it most with the gain all the way up to create a beautiful lead tone. It was almost too dark for me though, but with the EQ engaged, I was able to tame the lows and add high mids/highs to balance it out, making it into an incredible lead channel.

My main problems with this amp are mostly centered around Channel 3. Moving from the thick, full bodied Mark I mode to the Mark IIC+ was a real shock. All of a sudden, the distortion was thin and compressed sounding, with the high mids/highs drowning out the lower frequencies. The Mark IV mode was better, but not by much. The same went for the Extreme mode. It was possible to balance each of these channels out using the EQ by boosting the lows/low mids, but Channel Three is so middy that you practically need to scoop out the middle slider to tame it, but then you're entering the stereotypical mid-scooped metal zone, and I don't like that either. It just was hard to find a good balance. I still found a good spot for all the sliders, but even with the EQ set to my liking, the distortion still felt too thin and compressed. To be fair, another way to describe it would be articulate, clear, defined, tight, etc, but I feel like it just went too far in that direction.

This leads me to my main problem with this amp, (besides the overly compressed (to my ears) nature of Channel Three's distortion): both Channels Two and Three require use of the graphic EQ to make them sound their best. However, the ideal EQ settings for both these channels are quite different, so you can't get the best out of both channels at any one time.

The condensed version:
Channel 1 has excellent clean tones that should make anyone happy.
Channel 2 has good mid gain crunch tones (both British and American) and one of my favorite lead tones ever (the Mark I with graphic EQ engaged).
Channel 3 is too compressed and thin, and it overly accentuates the mids (mainly the high mids) over the other frequencies, but can be improved with the graphic EQ.

My final verdict:
This amp is one of the most versatile amps out there, and it has a lot of potential. However, the fact that it is nearly impossible to bring the best out of Channels Two and Three simultaneously due to the shared graphic EQ makes this amp fall short of its promise. Also, the highly compressed nature of Channel Three is a fatal flaw in my opinion, though that is completely in the ear of the listener. Overall, this amp is great for pure versatility, and it does achieve excellence in its first two modes, but it just doesn't it for me in its third channel.So although this amp is not the one for me, I would recommend trying it out for yourself. And don't be fooled by all the metal players using it and raving about it, this amp can be used convincingly for just about any style.

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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 07:27:46 AM »
Oh and I should add that I was playing a Fender Strat style guitar with two Trilogies and an Alnico V Nailbomb. The guitar is naturally pretty warm and deep sounding, with good attack. The Mark V was played through an Orange closed back 2x12 with Vintage 30s.

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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2012, 03:04:26 AM »
hi Roland-
I have owned a V since it came out-i think mine was the 135th built...
the channel 3 dilemma has frustrated a few,I am sure-this is one of the deals that comes with not only a little tweaking, but a good reading of the manual
-chan 1 tweed,by the way,is killer!
on channel two, if you use the Mk1 mode, you really need to use the sliders and remove a ton of bass-on channel three, you use the preset sliders to help balance out the two
I own and have access to quite a few C+ amps,which are all loaded with the 5 band eq-they do have more bass freq in the circuit than the C+ without eq...the Mk V setting that gets the closest is Mk IV/bright-the C+ setting is thinner in the low MIDS...this is the big difference, but you have to A/B both amps thru same speaker cab to really tell the difference-it is close

-I suppose you played one loaded with 6l6?  retubing with el 34 helps bridge the gap even more
-the best? I have used Sylvania 6ca7 tubes in the V and it DOES make a big improvement-thicker,warmer, and better feel
you can also set up channels with different wattage to help balance it all out-real cool
I actually run it with el 34 and 6l6 just like a boogie simul and its much better-just cant put her in 10 watt mode!
and an added plus-my house was destroyed by an ef 5 tornado, and my V took a direct hit-after a good cleaning, she has worked just fine-built like a tank!

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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2012, 01:29:45 PM »
Interresting review. This has sorta been my dream amp ever since I read that JP uses it and checked it out further.
My very brief playtest only made me want it more.
Well, I like a very middy sound and this things seems to be able to do it all^^
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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 05:19:05 PM »
Yeah the preset knobs definitely help, but I liked the tweakability of the 5 band sliders more. That being said, most people are likely to use Channel Two with either the Edge or the Crunch mode and save Channel Three for their high gain/lead tone. In that case, you shouldn't run into much trouble with dialing each in. Sorry to hear about your house, that's horrible, but at least you didn't lose the Mark V as well. That thing is really built like a tank. In fact, the guys at Mesa Boogie take a hammer to the chassis after the electronics and tubes are installed to ensure it can withstand a beating.

I hope my review didn't come across as overly negative, I was just trying to provide a more balanced take on it than the usual "This thing is the best thing ever!" review you see out there. The Mark V is an incredible amp, just not the one for me. I mean, how many amps can perform just about any style of music out there, and do it exceedingly well?

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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2012, 05:25:00 PM »
Interresting review. This has sorta been my dream amp ever since I read that JP uses it and checked it out further.
My very brief playtest only made me want it more.
Well, I like a very middy sound and this things seems to be able to do it all^^

Yeah JP says he used it exclusively on the latest album. I guess it depends a little on what album you like his tone on the best, though. On Train of Thought he used the Road King exclusively, and on Octavarium it was a mix of the Road King and his Mark series amps. Other than that, he's pretty much stuck with the Mark series. I prefer the Road King myself, and I'll be posting a review of that once I spend enough time with it - the Road King makes the Mark V look like a relatively simple amp  :?

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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 05:36:47 PM »
While I am a big DT fan I have not gotten around to Train of thought, Octavarium and Dramatic Turn of Events, though I do have 2 of them lying around here.

I do love his tone on Black Clouds and Silver linings most of all the records I have heard though I think. It has become my general aim for what I want of my sound (though I am not trying to coppy it, I do have a slightly diffent taste, but it certainly is the ballpark I am aiming for.)
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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2012, 05:07:50 PM »
I think if you like his tone and want to use it as a starting point for your own, the Mark V will probably do exactly what you want. In fact, there are two videos on YouTube where he demonstrates the exact settings he uses with the Mark V, which I think you should check out. I'll post a link soon

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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2012, 06:44:39 PM »
I think if you like his tone and want to use it as a starting point for your own, the Mark V will probably do exactly what you want. In fact, there are two videos on YouTube where he demonstrates the exact settings he uses with the Mark V, which I think you should check out. I'll post a link soon
Yes I have watched those videos too.

I certainly find a lot of similaritys in JPs and my taste, we also share a lot of influences. Then again I have different influences too, so I donīt want the same tone. But I love his take on distortion, where he gets that high gain crunch, that classic rock sound modernised and turned to 11. And his fluid lead sounds which can also scream and most of all sing extremely well. Just adore that very overdriven yet clean sound.
I am not so foolish to try and replicate his sound, as of course it comes very much from his style and hands too, but I try to get resonably close and go my own way from there. I will for example try to add more higher mids to the rythm sound to give it more of an 80s metal and hard rock throw in and make it more alive, while getting the lead to be a tad more organic.
Iīd say I want a different character with the same qualitys if you know what I mean.

Currently I am even very happy with my Tiny Terror HW. I have my rig setup so I really like the sound it puts out, even when I would not call it even close to JP.
The Mark V remains very interresting though.

Meanwhile Iīll still love my 200quid Dean 7 string with Liquifire and Crunchlab. Sides being a guitar I really love playing, the PUs seem to me to be the only non BKPs I tried that I like. They just have those qualitys.
I definetly plan on trying the CS C-bomb combo to see if that can go head to head or even further. I just really donīt wanne take the CL and LF out of the Dean...never change a running system and such xD


I am also very much looking forward to your thoughts on the Roadking, on paper it looks pretty darn good too.
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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2012, 06:32:01 PM »
I just picked up a second hand Mark V about 2 months ago for $1200 (GREAT deal - but came with no tubes). I just recently got it going and installed a standard retube kit from eurotubes in.  I can pretty much agree with this review... I find that I really want to use the Mark I setting alot but for some reason its so dark and needs to be eq'ed properly to remove the mud, didnt know this was a common problem. I LOVE the edge setting, with the gain cranked I can get an awesome NOFX punk tone out of it. Channel 3 does require lots of tweeking, but im finding the best results come from slightly modified JP settings on mk IV mode as well as kicking in my bbe green screamer in front to get an awesome aggressive tone. The 3rd channel doesnt have as much gain as people tend to believe, and the boost in front ads a bit of saturation and relieves some of the dryness in my opinion.

I run it through a randall 412 cab ive had for years (v80 speakers in it?) and a 1x12 mesa c90 cab as a monitor on opposite stage (other guitar player uses my old JVM into a mesa 212 and another c90 112 run on my side) with OK results. The randall cab could use an upgrade as it tends have a very focused projection and just average speakers.

My 2 main guitars are an old esp ltd mustaine dv8r which has a c-bomb bridge and cs neck, and probably sounds the best through the mark v.  My other guitar is a beautiful warmoth black korina explorer build with emg jh pickups in it - by far emgs best pickups yet but still suffer from a few problems that active pickups will never get away from, mainly the volume pot roll down issue.
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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2012, 10:56:37 PM »
Currently I am even very happy with my Tiny Terror HW. I have my rig setup so I really like the sound it puts out, even when I would not call it even close to JP.
The Mark V remains very interresting though.

Yeah I've heard lots of great things about that amp. How much gain can you get out of it though? I'm not one of those crazy high gain people myself, but I've been curious about how high gain that amp is.

I'll put up a review of the Road King II pretty soon I think.

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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2012, 11:12:01 PM »
I just picked up a second hand Mark V about 2 months ago for $1200 (GREAT deal - but came with no tubes). I just recently got it going and installed a standard retube kit from eurotubes in.  I can pretty much agree with this review... I find that I really want to use the Mark I setting alot but for some reason its so dark and needs to be eq'ed properly to remove the mud, didnt know this was a common problem. I LOVE the edge setting, with the gain cranked I can get an awesome NOFX punk tone out of it. Channel 3 does require lots of tweeking, but im finding the best results come from slightly modified JP settings on mk IV mode as well as kicking in my bbe green screamer in front to get an awesome aggressive tone. The 3rd channel doesnt have as much gain as people tend to believe, and the boost in front ads a bit of saturation and relieves some of the dryness in my opinion.

I run it through a randall 412 cab ive had for years (v80 speakers in it?) and a 1x12 mesa c90 cab as a monitor on opposite stage (other guitar player uses my old JVM into a mesa 212 and another c90 112 run on my side) with OK results. The randall cab could use an upgrade as it tends have a very focused projection and just average speakers.

Yeah that's a great price, and I've never re-tubed an amp but I assume it's not too expensive, right? The Mark I setting is so amazing for leads, but I found it was too dark without using the 5-band as well. I never got into the edge setting so much, because I like a thicker overdriven tone. Speaking of which, you should definitely try using the Tweed Mode as an overdrive sound. It makes an excellent, thick overdrive. Run the gain at about 2-3 o'clock, and set the master a little lower (depending on how much volume you can take I guess  :)). I liked to run the mids high to add bite and presence, all the way up to 3:00, which is pretty high I know, but I liked it. Treble I put at around 11 or 12 o'clock, and bass was around 9 or 10 o'clock. I should say that all my Tweed experience has been with the Road King II, but I assume they are pretty similar, as the Clean and Fat were pretty similar as far as I can remember.

I was kind of surprised at the level of gain the Mark V has (or doesn't have). I always expected it to be much higher, but it doesn't really sound all that heavy until you've done some fairly agressive EQing with the 5-band and maybe added a boost or dirt pedal.

As for the speaker cab, you're best bet would probably be a Mesa Recto cab. The next best thing to do would be to put some Vintage 30s in the Randall. Mesa mostly uses Vintage 30s in their own cabinets. Another cool speaker setup would be 2 Vintage 30s and 2 G12T-75s. The G12T-75s provide the low end power, and the Vintage 30s provide the mid/high frequency articulation. There's actually a set available, at least though here:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/celestion-metal-hard-rock-4x12-speaker-set/582004000000000

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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2012, 01:56:19 AM »

Yeah that's a great price, and I've never re-tubed an amp but I assume it's not too expensive, right? The Mark I setting is so amazing for leads, but I found it was too dark without using the 5-band as well. I never got into the edge setting so much, because I like a thicker overdriven tone. Speaking of which, you should definitely try using the Tweed Mode as an overdrive sound. It makes an excellent, thick overdrive. Run the gain at about 2-3 o'clock, and set the master a little lower (depending on how much volume you can take I guess  :)). I liked to run the mids high to add bite and presence, all the way up to 3:00, which is pretty high I know, but I liked it. Treble I put at around 11 or 12 o'clock, and bass was around 9 or 10 o'clock. I should say that all my Tweed experience has been with the Road King II, but I assume they are pretty similar, as the Clean and Fat were pretty similar as far as I can remember.

I was kind of surprised at the level of gain the Mark V has (or doesn't have). I always expected it to be much higher, but it doesn't really sound all that heavy until you've done some fairly agressive EQing with the 5-band and maybe added a boost or dirt pedal.

As for the speaker cab, you're best bet would probably be a Mesa Recto cab. The next best thing to do would be to put some Vintage 30s in the Randall. Mesa mostly uses Vintage 30s in their own cabinets. Another cool speaker setup would be 2 Vintage 30s and 2 G12T-75s. The G12T-75s provide the low end power, and the Vintage 30s provide the mid/high frequency articulation. There's actually a set available, at least though here:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/celestion-metal-hard-rock-4x12-speaker-set/582004000000000

The standard retube kit with 6l6's cost $150 plus shipping to canada, so it wasnt too bad.  Im actually considering getting a contemporary 212 avatar cab with some hellatone 60's.  I believe a solid 212 is all you need; 412's are just too big and unnecessary for todays average guitarists.  I dont even think you need 90 watts in an amp either, I wish the mk v came in a 5/15/30 watt version!

Also, the treble and presence on each channel can add a ton of more gain if you crank them, but requires some nifty onboard eq'ing to balance properly....
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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2012, 02:39:00 AM »
I'd never heard of the Hellatone speakers before. I just checked them out. The only thing I don't understand is this:
How can they sell "improved" Vintage 30s at $99 apiece when new Vintage 30s are $145 apiece? :?

I agree on the wattage, although I like a lot of clean headroom, and it's hard to get enough clean volume with only 30 watts if you don't mic the cab.

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Re: Mesa Boogie Mark V Review
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2012, 04:24:18 AM »
They're the same price as regular V30's on Avatars site, so I dont see why not?  I still think you can get a good clean tone without breakup out of a lower wattage.  I think that too many bands dont know how to properly control their volumes, and it kinda starts with the drummer.  If you can keep your drummer from smashing his drums too hard, the band can keep volumes a bit more reasonable and tones can be heard much more clearer.  I used to have a blackstar ht-5 that could keep up with a full band, and thats only pushing 5 watts!  Mind you, a 412 is needed for the lower wattages to push enough air.
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