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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2012, 03:15:39 PM »
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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2012, 04:12:56 PM »
I regularly work in Switzerland and speak (bad) standard German and my impression is that the various dialects of spoken Schwyzerdütsch are certainly more than an accent (the written language is pretty much standard German).  It is definitely a dialect(s), but you could go further - a standard textbook on modern languages called Ethnologue classifies it as a separate language and why not?  For example, if one accepts (as the British Government has done) that Lowland Scots is a separate, albeit mutually intelligible language, with English, you could say the same of Switzerdeutsch in comparison with standard German.
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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2012, 04:58:42 PM »
oh yeah- when i said it was a dialect i did mean that kind of pretty big difference, not like a slightly different accent.

the only contact i had with swiss-german speakers was when i'd only had a year of german at school (not that i'd necessarily be much better now :oops: ) but i didn't even realise it was german until they started speaking to me (they were speaking to me in standard german). :lol: though obviously a strong accent can sound like a different language as well, so that's not necessarily conclusive.

i remember being on holiday in england once and shouted something to my mum (in my pretty broad NI accent)- some non-english speakers nearby (who must have been doing the whole "spot the language" game) looked at each other and shrugged. :lol:

EDIT: i have no idea who that dude afghan posts is... i'm guessing that's a good thing? :lol:
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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2012, 05:12:54 PM »

dutch is like that with west country accents (supposedly... i haven't really noticed myself, though i haven't been exposed to much dutch)
Danes are not dutch :) Jutland is in Denmark!
Dutch are from the nederlands. And their language is like one big cauldron og languages mixed into one, twisted, rambling cauldron of babble.


i've been watching a lot of stuff like wallander, and (having done a little german at school), a lot of it almost sounds like german but with a more (regional) english intonation and pronunciation.


Wallander is Swedish :)


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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2012, 05:13:13 PM »

EDIT: i have no idea who that dude afghan posts is... i'm guessing that's a good thing? :lol:

Whoa... he's only the "Eddie Van Halen of Adult Cinema" ...  :P
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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2012, 05:55:32 PM »
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^ that's interesting. I know there's a fair bit of norse influence on english, and having looked it up on wikipedia as i'm intested in languages and linguistics, some of the slang and dialect things which i'd have thought were scots or irish based actually come from norse originally.

As a Dane (and historian) I have to point out that the English language is influenced by Danish as it was the Danish vikings who settled in England and there was a difference between the Scandinavic languages (Danish, Norwegian and Swedish), but the differences weren't as big as they are today. The Norwegian vikings settled in Ireland so the may have had influence on the Irish version on English?

No need to point out that the tables have turned and nowdays English have far suppassed any small imprint Danish left upon the English language during the viking invasions  :wink:
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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2012, 06:48:50 PM »
The nearest relative to English and Lowland Scots (save the cheese eating surrender monkey part of the language) is Frisian, which also links Dutch and Danish (as it would be being the part in betwen the two countries).  Prior to the Norman invasion the languages of the three areas were apparently mutually comprehensible.

Check out Eddie Izzard speaking to a Frisian farmer in Old English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeC1yAaWG34 - not sure that he stuck to the script, however  :D

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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2012, 07:31:51 PM »
Danes are not dutch :) Jutland is in Denmark!

Wallander is Swedish :)

yeah i know.

I'm not sure i said anything which suggested i didn't know that :?

As a Dane (and historian) I have to point out that the English language is influenced by Danish as it was the Danish vikings who settled in England and there was a difference between the Scandinavic languages (Danish, Norwegian and Swedish), but the differences weren't as big as they are today. The Norwegian vikings settled in Ireland so the may have had influence on the Irish version on English?

No need to point out that the tables have turned and nowdays English have far suppassed any small imprint Danish left upon the English language during the viking invasions  :wink:

I thought it was all norse back then? Maybe it had already split into old west and east norse. But you're right there was a lot less difference then. maybe all were even close enough that you could (near enough) just call them germanic, with the different branches little more than dialects at that point.

Whoa... he's only the "Eddie Van Halen of Adult Cinema" ...  :P

haha

The nearest relative to English and Lowland Scots (save the cheese eating surrender monkey part of the language) is Frisian, which also links Dutch and Danish (as it would be being the part in betwen the two countries).  Prior to the Norman invasion the languages of the three areas were apparently mutually comprehensible.

Check out Eddie Izzard speaking to a Frisian farmer in Old English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeC1yAaWG34 - not sure that he stuck to the script, however  :D



yeah i'd always read that frisian was the closest. when i say norse had an influence, i mean an influence on old english (which then turned into middle english, then modern english etc.) or anglo saxon.

I was under the impression that frisian was west germanic (as is english), whereas danish is north germanic, though maybe there's a dialect continuum thing going on.

thanks for the video i'll check it out now :) EDIT: ahahaha excellent. :lol:
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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2012, 08:40:00 PM »
You are right Dave - but to make things complicated categories begin to split even further, with Northsea Germanic (of which Anglo-Frisian is one) being a West German dialect with some mutual intelligibility to Danes (at least Jutlanders - based on reports in missionary and mercantile writings) around  1000AD

Here is about as far as I get into this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Germanic_languages#Features_shared_with_West_Germanic

Personally it all gets a bit too complicated for me thereafter ....
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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2012, 10:50:33 PM »
You are right Dave - but to make things complicated categories begin to split even further, with Northsea Germanic (of which Anglo-Frisian is one) being a West German dialect with some mutual intelligibility to Danes (at least Jutlanders - based on reports in missionary and mercantile writings) around  1000AD

Here is about as far as I get into this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Germanic_languages#Features_shared_with_West_Germanic

Personally it all gets a bit too complicated for me thereafter ....

ah that's interesting, i didn't realise that. thanks for teh link, i'll check it out now :)

I get all my info on this type of stuff from wiki too... i can spend hours wasting time/learning on wiki. it gets a bit complex for me too before too long :lol:

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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2012, 10:56:03 AM »
I am Frisian.

There are alot of similarities between Frisian, (old) English and Danish. Frisia used to be half the Netherlands, a piece of Germany and a piece of Denmark. There are some regions in Germany and Denmark where people still speak a form of Frisian.
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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2012, 12:48:12 PM »
Ha, I actually didn't have a problem understanding any of that, must just get used to it round here.

Always show this to explain ned/teuchter speak to English friends:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk0sS4IFGXA
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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2012, 04:29:10 PM »
I am Frisian.

There are alot of similarities between Frisian, (old) English and Danish. Frisia used to be half the Netherlands, a piece of Germany and a piece of Denmark. There are some regions in Germany and Denmark where people still speak a form of Frisian.

ah sweet :D

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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2012, 02:24:34 AM »
Ha, I actually didn't have a problem understanding any of that, must just get used to it round here.

Always show this to explain ned/teuchter speak to English friends:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk0sS4IFGXA


I've an awful lot of friends that'd be hugely offended at that statement.

Teuchter in terms of language means highland accents. It absolutely isn't synonymous with the exaggerated Glaswegian "ned" chat.

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Re: What the hell are they saying?
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2012, 08:27:20 PM »
I learnt most of my "conversational" Italian from Rocco Siffredi... "Ciao Bella, you nasty girl"



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