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Re: Any Veggies Out There?
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2012, 08:54:32 PM »
How does one find out their cholesterol level? Is it something the doctor would check? I know I've borderline high blood pressure, they're often linked aren't they? Or is that just one of these assumption folks make about all poor health issues being related? :lol:

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Re: Any Veggies Out There?
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2012, 10:47:34 PM »
Doc can check or some gyms do it as part of their membership. E.g. Nuffield health

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Re: Any Veggies Out There?
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2012, 10:59:22 PM »
How does one find out their cholesterol level? Is it something the doctor would check? I know I've borderline high blood pressure, they're often linked aren't they? Or is that just one of these assumption folks make about all poor health issues being related? :lol:

I get mine checked every 6 months or so because I'm diabetic.  I go along to the local medical centre, they take several blood samples and test various things including thyroid, kidney and liver functions, cholesterol and of course blood sugar.

Type 2 diabetes often goes hand in hand with high blood pressure and high cholesterol (and high body weight!).  When I got diagnosed with diabetes they were threatening to put me on statins and blood pressure medication, but I didn't want that, so I was determined to sort myself out.  And I have.... apart from the diabetes of course, that doesn't go away.  :|

I expect you could go to your GP and ask for blood tests if you want?
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Re: Any Veggies Out There?
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2012, 12:23:56 AM »
Well, I'm obviously totally naive about some medical conditions. I thought some forms of diabetes could be 'cured'
I think I hate being indecisive.

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« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2012, 03:15:49 AM »
Well, I'm obviously totally naive about some medical conditions. I thought some forms of diabetes could be 'cured'

Nope.  You can control or even "reverse" the symptoms in various ways - medication, diet, exercise, losing weight.  But there's no cure.*

My blood sugar levels are "normal" because I look after myself, but if I ate a load of chocolate or drank a bottle of Lucozade, my blood sugar would go shooting up.  Not permanently of course, and if I did it occasionally it wouldn't really do any harm.  But if I kept doing that (and a lot of diabetics do).... I'd be in trouble.  So personally, I choose to be "good", all of the time.  It's very stressful and bloody hard work, but I don't want to go blind, or lose a foot, or whatever, for the sake of pastry, rice or doughnuts - even though I miss them terribly.


(* Sometimes pregnant women develop a form of diabetes called gestational diabetes.  I think that might go away again after birth, but I don't know much about it... )
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Re: Any Veggies Out There?
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2012, 06:48:20 AM »
Brazilian recipes might be something to look up. When I was playing in a samba band we used to play lots of carnevale events and there was always great grub. All of it seemed to consist of beans and sauces but lots of it was great. I'm admittedly unsure as to how authentic it was, but it was always Brazilian folks running the things.

Never really thought about Brazilian food.  Might check it out.
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Re: Any Veggies Out There?
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2012, 08:36:49 AM »


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My cholesterol has gone from 6.0 in January last year to 3.8 in December.


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That's an amazing reduction.  That's under even the most stringent recommendations, good work I say!

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« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2012, 08:51:17 AM »
It is indeed - he looks super healthy too  :D

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« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2012, 09:25:29 AM »


I'd tend to be of the opinion that veganism is about reducing suffering for beasts whereas vegetarianism may be about pretending you care, or trying very hard to convince yourself you do.
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That's a bit simplistic, but there is probably some truth in it.

Certainly I didn't become a vegetarian mainly due to animal suffering, but more due to the unnatural farming methods which are about yield size and speed of maturity, particularily in chickens.  I remember eating a microwave meal whilst watching a programe of chicken farming and that was that.  Chickens pumped with hormones so they reach maturity in 70% of the time of what is natural.  It just put me off.

Also becuase a vegetarian diet puts a lot less pressure on resources and is a lot more efficient.  The world could feed twice as many people if everybody was a vegetarian, so I do like the fact that I'm making a move towards sustainability.
I do miss fish but I don't eat it becuase the oceans are being over fished and some species will never recover.  I'd rather not be part of that.

You are correct about the dairy use, but most vegetarians would probably at least look into where their milk and eggs came from and are likely to choose better sources.  Sometimes it's better to be doing something than nothing at all, and making the swap from meat to veggie will definitely reduce the pressures on world resources.  From a moral standpoint though, I don't see being vegetarian as any better than just cutting down on meat consumption, nothing annoyes me more than holier than thou vegetarians who preach about it.  As I see it what you eat is your business and what other people eat is their business!


And I've always said I'll eat meat or fish again if I can catch it and kill it myself.  I think (and to bring up a debate from a while ago) there's nothing wrong with hunter gatherers eating meat, that's probably the most sustainable way of doing things.
And really, being vegetarian is a luxury of the time and location.  If you are an Inuit living in the Artic circle the traditional way, it's a bit inconvenient to nip to tesco for some veggie burgers!




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« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2012, 09:26:26 AM »
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Never really thought about Brazilian food.  Might check it out.
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I like a good Brazilian :wink:

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Re: Any Veggies Out There?
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2012, 10:07:22 AM »
I'm not vegetarian but my missus is so at home I'm pretty much vegetarian on a day to day basis. It's no hardship really and it does mean that I really appreciate meat when eating at a restaurant or cafe. If I could recommend one veggie cook book it would be the new Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall one. Packed full of really tasty dishes. Recommended.

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« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2012, 12:06:21 PM »
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My cholesterol has gone from 6.0 in January last year to 3.8 in December.

That's an amazing reduction.  That's under even the most stringent recommendations, good work I say!

It is indeed - he looks super healthy too  :D


 :lol:  Thanks Tom, thanks Dave!  :D

Not sure if I'm super healthy or just super skinny though!  :wink:

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Re: Any Veggies Out There?
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2012, 12:33:52 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2012, 01:07:24 PM »
(a) I dunno... It's the very worst treated animals that provide dairy products...

(b) I'd quite like to be vegan on that principle, but I've nothing like the will power to stop eating (and using) animal products entirely. I think I could stick to being veggie quite easily but I don't see the point if I'm still going to consume animal products from the really awful production methods.

(a) yep probably

(b) yep same here. plus i mean with the amount of wasted food etc. it's likely to make very little difference if one more person is or isn't vegan. everyone would need to change (or at least a large proportion of people) to effect some kind of change.

Plus i mean i'd rather they just treated the animals better. if they actually treated the animals well, that might arguably be better for them than just stopping using their products. if no-one buys meat any more i doubt a whole bunch of animal reservations are going to spring up, lol.

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« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2012, 01:14:40 PM »
So personally, I choose to be "good", all of the time.  It's very stressful and bloody hard work, but I don't want to go blind,

maybe something else you could cut out too :oops:

seriously, though, diabetes is no laughing matter. it's commendable you look after yourself so well.

It is indeed - he looks super healthy too  :D

does your wife need to start worrying, dave? :oops:

(a) Also becuase a vegetarian diet puts a lot less pressure on resources and is a lot more efficient.  The world could feed twice as many people if everybody was a vegetarian, so I do like the fact that I'm making a move towards sustainability.


(b) You are correct about the dairy use, but most vegetarians would probably at least look into where their milk and eggs came from and are likely to choose better sources.  Sometimes it's better to be doing something than nothing at all, and making the swap from meat to veggie will definitely reduce the pressures on world resources.  (c) From a moral standpoint though, I don't see being vegetarian as any better than just cutting down on meat consumption, nothing annoyes me more than holier than thou vegetarians who preach about it.  As I see it what you eat is your business and what other people eat is their business!


(d) And I've always said I'll eat meat or fish again if I can catch it and kill it myself.  I think (and to bring up a debate from a while ago) there's nothing wrong with hunter gatherers eating meat, that's probably the most sustainable way of doing things.

(a) i was under the impression that the figures used to back up that assertion were...er... made up. Or at least massively over-exaggerated. i think even monbiot admitted as much at one point in one of his columns.

also I'd say we could feed the entire world currently if things were run a bit better, etc.

not to mention all the land used to grow non-food crops. i don't see why i'd feel guilty that my meat eating is causing starvation because (a) it's not and (b) if that vegetarian has tons of clothes or consumer good etc. etc. they might actually be more to blame than me!

what about people who drink? how much grain is diverted to alcohol production? How much land diverted to grape cultivation? I don't drink ;)

what about if you only wear woolen clothes and eat mutton? is that worse than a veggie who wears tons of cotton and has a diverse wardrobe?

ok i'm labouring the point now. but you know what i mean. It's a bit like the way they always talk about bringing in health taxes. they only look at one very narrow definition of health and ignore arguably way bigger causes.

(b) i'm not vegetarian and i only buy free range eggs. I normally get organic milk, too (though i have no idea if that affects the animals' wellbeing). it's not only vegetarians or vegans who care about animals. :)

(c) :) though i have to admit i'm not too enamoured with having to kill animals to eat them :(

(d) screw that, i'm way too squeamish for that. :lol: Heck i can barely even cook my own meat, let alone kill it. :lol:
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