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Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« on: May 05, 2012, 10:05:24 PM »
I found a used Riff Raff at a fair price ($80 CAD), and I think it would go nice with my ESP LTD F-200... just to change it up a little.

Could anyone offer a quick summary on what I might be able to expect - difference wise - between the stock EMG-HZ passives compared to the Riff Raff?


Probably going to pick it up in a few hours regardless - so will hear for myself soon enough I suppose - but would be cool to hear other's opinions in the meantime.


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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2012, 01:56:50 AM »
What I read on forums is that they try to emulate the active EMG's in a passive design, using a ceramic magnet. They sound tight in the bass and overall a bit dry, lacking character and sustain, especially in the upper register.
DC-resistance is somewhere between 8-11 k, depending on the type HZ. RiffRaff is around 8k.

RiffRaff has an alnico V-magnet and is will sound warmer, more vintage and cleans up better. I think you'll be amazed, as with all BKP's I have, how much depth and clarity they have.

Here's the description of the RiffRaff on the BKP-website:

Tight and punchy bass response with a smooth bite in the high-end define the voice of early '60s humbucker-driven rock'n'roll.

The Riff Raff humbucker is based on the shorter rough cast Alnico V PAFs of 1960, with a more symmetrical wind of 42 AWG plain enamel wire providing more focus in the upper-mids and brighter highs. While the same build standard and components of the other vintage humbuckers in the range apply, the Riff Raff delivers a more aggressive vintage tone and unmistakable rock voice. The bottom-end is deep but very controlled and coupled with the extra cut in the high-end, allow for plenty of snap and a classic range of organic, clean and driven tones.

Although voiced as a vintage rock humbucker, hard rock and metal players will enjoy the punchy and focused tone when used with hi-gain rigs.


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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2012, 03:58:51 AM »
mediocrity -> greatness
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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2012, 10:24:18 AM »
mediocrity -> greatness

The word mediocrity passes by many times reading about the HZ.
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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2012, 11:12:10 AM »
The HZ probably has a ton more output, the RiffRaff a ton more tone!
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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2012, 02:45:54 PM »
Yeah, and honestly, did you expect a different response on this forum? lol

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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2012, 05:46:04 PM »
Yeah, and honestly, did you expect a different response on this forum? lol

nope! i just wanted to re-affirm my assumption that this would be a good investment.

...while I wait for my SG to arrive, and sort out an order for a set of Warpigs for that :)


turns out the guy has the matching neck RiffRaff as well, so think I'll snag that up as well, n rip those HZ's both out. I figure I should probably upgrade the pots on this thing as well.

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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2012, 06:05:45 PM »
Wouldn't be a terrible idea!

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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2012, 10:43:39 PM »
I cant beleive someone still has a ESP LTD F-200 lol.

If you could tell me how the riff raff sounds in there that'd be awesome =D
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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2012, 10:55:37 PM »
I cant beleive someone still has a ESP LTD F-200 lol.

If you could tell me how the riff raff sounds in there that'd be awesome =D

sure thing.

I bought it off some kid in Estonia many years ago. It's back/headstock is signed by Mike Portnoy (Dream Theatre's drummer)

I pulled out all the floyd rose setup, stuck a block of wood in the gap, and just have the strings going through the individual saddles... not sure yet if this is reliable (ie, will stay in tune) - so considering ripping the whole thing out and rigging up a tune-o-matic type setup... we'll see.


any thoughts on this guitar?  would you say it is worth putting the extra work into? 

i do love the look of it..  i would have preferred having the strings go thru-body like the F-300 model (or even the F-50,, blech)..   

but it feels fine... and i'm sure the RiffRaff's will be an improvement from the stock EMG-HZ's


$150 for a pair of RiffRaff's (neck&bridge) seemed like a good deal not worth passing up, so.. gonna grab them regardless.





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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2012, 11:41:50 PM »
Yeah I'd say for that price, you really can't go wrong.

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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2012, 08:37:09 AM »
i think these RiffRaff's have long legs...

does anyone know if that would be an issue - fitting them into an ESP LTD F-200?

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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2012, 01:14:44 PM »
I don't think it should be...

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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2012, 08:51:25 PM »
hmm... just found a used Painkiller online for $100...

so now I'm thinking of getting the Painkiller for the ESP LTD F-200 (bridge only)


and if I still manage to score that pair of Riff Raff's (still haven't managed to meet up with the guy) - I'll stick those in my Gibson SG (special faded)... until I decide I can afford a set of Ceramic Warpigs, I suppose.  Given the many recommendations for Riff Raff's in SG's - I figure this isn't such a bad idea.



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Re: Riff Raff vs EMG-HZ
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2012, 01:09:47 AM »
i have a riff raff and painkiller in my musicman JP. PK is perhaps a little too cutting in hindsight but perhaps thats just my changing taste.

Riff raff wise - it was recommended to me for Bonamassa/early petrucci like tones. I like the pickup but i do think i could do with just a tad more punch. Id like to hear it in a Gibson or any guitar thats abit heavier than my musicman.

Someone posted about it being a favourite of hard rock/metal players through hi-gain rigs. It worked for me when i was doing that type of stuff.

If you want to hear it i can give you some links just let me know
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