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itamar101

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Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« on: May 31, 2012, 07:24:41 PM »
Hey. So... I've been GASsing a lot recently and looking at many guitars but they just come and go very quickly. I'm interested for about 2 weeks each time before I decide that I really don't need to spend my sparce money on it.
I've looked at so many guitars... the front runners being: Fender Classic Player Baja Telecaster, Fender Road Worn 60s Strat, Gibson Les Paul Jr (I had GAS for this long and hard before it went away).

But more recently I've decided that, with my musical tastes and song writing leaning toward Hard Rock and Hair Metal sorta stuff, I simply want another guitar with humbuckers and I already have a Gibson Les Paul (My only other guitar is Strat). The choice of a Flying V is really mostly inspired by Michael Schenker, Jimi Hendrix and Randy Rhoads and they really show that it's just as much of a rock machine as heavy metal.

I was never really a big fan of the shape until it started growing on me a while ago and in the past few months I've been GASsing A LOT for this but I haven't had the chance to try it. The only thing I had worse GAS for is my Orange TH30.

Anyway... I've had great experiences with gibson but the only guitar in their faded series that I've tried was the SG faded and it was badly set up with rusty strings and so I really didn't like it. That has left me thinking... is the Flying V Faded the same or is it better?
Do you guys have any experience with it? How did it play and how was the build quality? The sound doesn't really bother me because I plan on replacing all the electronics with BKPs in any case (we'll get to that later).
Also how much of a difference is their between the faded and the standard? I also really like the look of the Gloss White standard but I wanna know how much better it is in comparison to the Faded. I know that the SG standard that I played was much better than the SG faded.

TL;DR Have you ever tried a Gibson Flying V Faded? How was it playability and build quality-wise? How does it compare to the Flying V Standard?

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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2012, 07:49:23 PM »
I used to have a faded v it was a nice guitar didnt have any issues.Gave it a good set up played really nice, I also added black pickup surrounds and it looked better. Only thing was it didnt take knocks too well you can get some major dings if not careful, that was the only thing really. Ive read that quite a few people moaned about the quality issues e.g. sharp frets and other stuff but I wouldnt take that as anything major what cant be rectified. On the whole nice guitar for the money only reason I sold it was I wanted something else..... i'm never satisfied hope that helps
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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2012, 08:00:51 PM »
I think Gwem has or has had one as well? (In amongst his 1000 Vs :lol:, so I suspect he's an "expert" you'd like to hear from)

I really like the Faded series - I have the SG Special and its bass counterpart. But they definitely seem to be a "try them until you find one you like" range. The six string was about the 5th I'd tried, and I'd nearly given up on them. The bass was the 2nd I tried (or possibly the same one twice - it might have moved from one branch to another!).

On the SG, I think comparing it to an SG standard is possibly being a bit unfair to it :lol:. The Faded SG is an SG Special (no binding, screen-print logo, etc, etc), so it probably ought to be compared to the fully finished SG Special instead of the Standard.

One of the things about the Fadeds is the finish. That seems to be how they make them - take one of the cheaper models and don't bother with the heavy clear-coat finish (and the time required to put it on) to make it possible to sell even cheaper. I think they don't bother too much with grain filling that would need to be done for a proper gloss finish either (I get this from comparing my Fadeds to an Explorer I stripped - when the clear-coat came off, it was very much like a Faded but smoother).

So what this does is give you a new guitar that can feel a bit dry, rough, cold in the hands. Stick a bad set-up and rusty strings on one and it feels like a dog! :lol:

Get one set up, with decent strings on, and it plays nice. Play it for a few months and it soon starts to polish up and feels really warm and lived in. If you don't like the unfilled grain though (and they seem to be variable in this), then you might never bond with it.

Like Keith says, they are very sensitive to knocks - my wife was very upset when she dented one by just "touching it" (much more than I was, took ages to cheer her up). I saw her do it, and it was more than a touch, but most of my other guitars would have come away without a sign. Basically, they haven't got the clear-coats a fully finished guitar has, so you can't really expect any different I suppose (and I don't mind dings anyway :lol:)

I've not tried the V, but have gassed about one myself several times. I've seen one in the flesh, and this particular specimen looked a bit more orangy than my two, so that was a bit off-putting for me... (However, I know you can darken them, and speed up the polishing effect using Briwax - that's what I did to my six-string)

How it compares to a Standard, I've no idea, but I suspect that if I could lay my hands on enough of them to try then I could find one I'd be very happy to own.

I'll stop typing now, I'm starting to feel GAS twinges myself... :lol:
« Last Edit: May 31, 2012, 08:02:55 PM by AndyR »
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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2012, 08:12:02 PM »
Do it Andy you know you want to :) just make sure you buy the wife a new coat or something :)
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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2012, 08:37:07 PM »
Thanks guys.
I guess I'll have to look around for a shop that has them in stock. Any more opinions/info is obviously welcome.
On the other hand...
What pickups should I get if I do go for it?
If been looking at all sorts of things...
Currently the combos at the top of my list are:
1) VHII neck and Black Dog bridge open coiled. How would it suit for an all mahogany guitar like a Flying V? I've wanted black dogs for a while now I assume it might be too dark in such woods.
2) VHII neck and Cold Sweat Bridge. I've also been looking at cold sweats a lot recently too but I don't know much about them. Do they retain an 80s sort of vibe or are they very modern sounding?
3) The Mule set w/ aged nickel covers for a more open, vintage sort of sound.

So... what do you think?

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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 11:34:25 PM »
look for a used Vee standard, I only paid £500 for mine at the back end of last year and it's the only guitar I've ever owned where I haven't felt the need to change anything about it - the guitar is just perfect stock, all the moons and stars must have aligned for this one. 

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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2012, 11:56:19 PM »
I think Gwem has or has had one as well? (In amongst his 1000 Vs :lol:, so I suspect he's an "expert" you'd like to hear from)

I've got two in fact :lol: I approve of the ironic quotes around the expert too ;)

Yeah, they're alright. Decent gigging instruments, fit and finish perfectly acceptable. The rosewood they use for the fretboards is pretty gash I'm afraid, but everything else is fine. The tone on both of them is a bit mid-scooped, but you can even it out with the right pickups.

The necks on them are quite modern (medium) in feel, not like a vintage V, and the neck joint is substantial, not like a late 70s one (thank goodness).

Not spectacular guitars, but they do the biz. The 'standards' are a cut above the faded for sure, but the fadeds are just as well made, just not as good materials and slightly unfinished feeling.

The one to get is the first edition, with the moon inlays - lovely ebony fretboards on those, not the dry old rosewood on all the other instruments. Apparently there are a limited number of dot marker guitars with ebony boards, but quite rare to get one of those I would have though.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2012, 11:59:57 PM by gwEm »
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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 01:51:01 AM »
I bought a moon inlay faded V a few weeks ago for a friend
think he installed my '78 dimarzio paf in the bridge and some cheap duncan design in the neck
I didn't try it yet, but I will soon
bet it's a great guitar
I only played a 2000 gothic V, which has the same specs, but ring mounted pickups instead of the big pickguard (1958 V)
a previous owner also $%&#ed up the satin black finish by adding some glossy shiteeee (not sure if it was nitro lacquer or PU, but didn't look like a pro job)
it was one of the greatest guitars I ever played, along with a couple PRS mccarties, my '73 les paul custom and a 2005 les paul standard faded
neck played like butter and it was a quite resonant guitar
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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 02:00:11 AM »
The choice of a Flying V is really mostly inspired by Michael Schenker, Jimi Hendrix and Randy Rhoads

definitely riff raffs for those sounds
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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2012, 02:54:21 AM »
This thread is giving me V GAS.

Damn you all!  :evil:
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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2012, 08:01:42 AM »
Well, my V GAS has subsided, thank goodness! :lol:

On pickups, I'm almost certain that Riff Raffs is what I'd put in one of these.
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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2012, 08:44:49 AM »
The choice of a Flying V is really mostly inspired by Michael Schenker, Jimi Hendrix and Randy Rhoads

definitely riff raffs for those sounds


Well, Although Riff Raffs are great, they aren't excactly the sound that I'm looking for. The choice of a Flying V is inspired by these artists but I'm not seeking their tone. But thanks for the suggestion.
I'd really like to know whether the black dogs would work nicely in the bridge position with 550k pots along with a VHII neck pickup.
How is the cold sweat bridge?
I know that there are a lot of questions but I'd like as many answers as possible!
Is there any other set that you guys would recommend?

Back onto the original topic:
So I guess I'll have to travel around looking for one that I like or just get a standard model (which I have no problem with :) ).
And gWem, thanks for the advice on the older moon inlay models. I'll look into it but where I am Flying Vs aren't the most popular guitar around and used ones are gonna be sparce.

Thanks so much guys... And keep it coming!

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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2012, 11:47:41 AM »
I've played a few, really didn't wow me at all. Like everyone else said, the standard would probably be better for you. What about the RR aren't you digging?

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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2012, 03:49:20 PM »
I've played a few, really didn't wow me at all. Like everyone else said, the standard would probably be better for you. What about the RR aren't you digging?

Well... I totally dig the Riff Raffs... I just don't really want a Flying V to be the guitar that I put a set in.
I'm not to keen on that "almost single coil edge" that they have. I like my humbuckers to really sound like humbuckers and the Riff Raffs just don't seem fat enough.

So... any opinions on the pickups that I listed going into a Flying V? I really need some opinions.
I know that it's a bit early seeing as I haven't even bought it yet but I ALWAYS plan buying my gear in advance so any help possible would be nice.

Thanks again for you help so far.

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Re: Opinions on the Gibson Flying V Faded...
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2012, 04:51:20 PM »
I woulda said HD's but seeing you already have some.... VHII's would probably work pretty well in there