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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2012, 02:32:23 PM »
Which forum were you on Andrew?

It's a very good description of several US forum-going PRS owners, but it's not the majority by a long shot.  They stand out because they're the ones you remember and are always posting NGDs.  I know of several guys who order a Private Stock roughly once a month  :o

As you say, there's no harm in it and everyone's different.  People do the same with cars and other objects if they can afford to.

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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #61 on: June 28, 2012, 02:36:09 PM »
i've heard about this phenomenon with second hand PRS. Any dings and buyers just don't want to know, and them being hard to shift. This one I have here feels like a workhorse. I wouldn't have any issues gigging it at all.

Some people are just picky!

...PRS definitely have a reputation with most people of being guitars you look at and play at home and keep in mint condition.

I think there is a real culture amongst certain PRS people to play expensive Pokemon with PRS guitars.

I recently joined another forum as I was interested in learning about PRSs having acquired a second hand DGT (to play I might add, it's not on the wall). I was actually a bit shocked about the number of people who seem, so far as I can tell, to treat the guitars like kids do football stickers, i.e. to show them off and trade them for other PRSs. I'm not saying they're wrong to do it, who am I to judge, but it's an attitude that I wasn't expecting about something that's effectively supposed to be a tool, albeit a pretty one.

I also think PRS play to this crowd with their multiple limited runs of certain models and their continual reinvention of the line. I have no problem with that, I'm sure each revision results in a better instrument, but all the limited edition models definitely seem to feed the "gotta catch 'em all" mentality of some PRS aficionados. If you're interested in collecting PRSs for the sake of collecting them, rather than what they can do for you as a player, then I also understand why you wouldn't touch a dented one with a barge pole, it's all about the object and its worth to others, not its functionality. But they seem happy so where's the harm?


^ this 100% it's the lawyer/dentist brigade, the same people that buy the limited run gibsons and put 60's fender Strats in glass cases on walls...

I play my PRS, just because i don't want to take it out and ding it (it already has a little bit of buckle rash from when i pulled it out drunk one night) doesn't mean it doesn't get played extensively. But i'll stand up and say that i hate this "investment" attitude. Yes it's their money, let em do what they want, especially with PRS's and Gibbos that were designed to take their money off them, but when they start doing it with old guitars that were awesome tools, designed to be used then my attitude becomes Indiana Jones'd

some might say i'm jealous because i can't afford em. nope, i have one of the better paying jobs in the offshore industry, so i can. But i played guitar as a kid when my family didn't have much money, and i learned to really appreciate what i had. Still have my first jap squire. I don't want a private stock PRS because for me it's just too ostenatious.  The only way i would consider one was if i absolutely couldn't get the spec i wanted, and i would certainly make sure some of the aspects of bling were toned down. I really like that Twinfan takes a guitar like that and plays the shitee out of it. and dings it. and says "ah well, still sounds great". That would make the colour drain from some of the posers faces.

This exists in most hobbys though, i've seen it in my other pastime which is straight razor shaving.

The mojo effect exists there too. certain brands are considered holy grail razors and there are 2 communities of people, the guys who buy old razors in antique shops, restore them, trade amongst themselves on the forums for fair prices, and generally try to keep these things in use and in the hands of the people who use them. Then there are the collectors who drive up the price of the "mojo" brands (made of magic steel apparently) to put them in display cases and don't have the first idea how to use them.

I guess that in any of my hobbys i'm physically involved with the function of the thing i'm interested in. I do not get putting something expensive and made for a purpose  in a display case and never using it.

Have to say, at least PRS and fender put out workhorse guitars that aren't massively differentiated in terms of image from the higher end guitars. A PRS like Dmoneys, still says PRS on the headstock and is still made to the the same levels of quality as ever other US PRS, and a road worn strat still says "fender stratocaster" on the headstock and doesn't look that much different to the untrained eye from a CS relic. Gibson play a class system way too much, if you don't have the money for a standard or classic, which i think are way over priced these days, they make sure that it's massively differentiated from, say studio, so the corksniffers, when they're out watching a working gigging band "you see? he just has a LP studio, i have the more expensive proper one".

Not wailing on Studios BTW.

Rant over

Still don't want to ding my mine lol
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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #62 on: June 28, 2012, 04:08:46 PM »
I love my Private Stocks because they use the best tonewoods available, and they have some of that handmade mojo going on.  You have to get past the looks, because underneath they're the best musical instruments I've ever played.

I love 'em and play 'em  :D

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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #63 on: June 28, 2012, 04:10:42 PM »
Agree with Dave here - guitars are made to be played!

I don't think I'll ever get a PRS PS though, perhaps a Blonde CS Esquire is more suited to me.
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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #64 on: June 28, 2012, 04:29:56 PM »
Which forum were you on Andrew?

It's a very good description of several US forum-going PRS owners, but it's not the majority by a long shot.  They stand out because they're the ones you remember and are always posting NGDs.  I know of several guys who order a Private Stock roughly once a month  :o

As you say, there's no harm in it and everyone's different.  People do the same with cars and other objects if they can afford to.
It was on Vintage Rocker, the BaM expat section. I think you're right, the 'collectors' aren't the majority, but they post the most because of their rapid turnover of instruments, so their presence is disproportionate to their number.

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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2012, 04:48:08 PM »
I love my Private Stocks because they use the best tonewoods available, and they have some of that handmade mojo going on.  You have to get past the looks, because underneath they're the best musical instruments I've ever played.

I love 'em and play 'em  :D

Strange but true!

The fact that they're such beautiful guitars actually counts against them, in an inverse-snobbery kind of way.
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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #66 on: June 28, 2012, 04:55:00 PM »
I'm hoping that my 2012 Ltd edition Lion can be seen as a players guitar - even though I've always said that there will be only 12 of them (11 right handed and one southpaw)

The concept is 20th anniversary celebration guitar/Ltd run of 12 thing that looks like 20:12

Admittedly their price may put them in the hands of collectors at £2995 each, but you'd pay that for a Gigson R9 or a custom shop Gibson, so I don't see that it is a step too far.

Obviously a guitar of that price you probably choose not to hand round to drunken punters at a jam night or leave unattended on a stand at a pub, but you'd still play it .
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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #67 on: June 28, 2012, 05:48:17 PM »
Not a fan of PRS guitars, they look too nice and they play too well (not enough of a fight in it for me), but if you want one to get all dinged up, lend one to me for a few gigs :D

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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2012, 06:53:14 PM »
They do play exceptionally well, in my experience at least. The 245 I had played like butter. I kind of agree that I like my guitars to have a bit of fit in them (although Daves ME) is possibly the best guitar I have played!
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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #69 on: June 29, 2012, 11:12:40 AM »
Back in London now.
Here is another shot...



I don't feel like its 'too easy' to play. Maybe because the neck is bigger than all my other guitars, but it is still really comfortable, which is the main thing. I've noticed another guitar I've owned resonate so much when it's against my body. The whole thing vibrates and when I'm stood still playing it I can feel it where the body is resting on my torso.

The trem and the whole system of keeping the strings in tune is totally solid. I've not tried to pull off any divebombs yet but I've been giving the trem some abuse and it's holding up perfectly.




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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #70 on: June 30, 2012, 11:17:56 AM »
The thing with PRS' that I've always struggled with is they don't quite 'look' ME when I play one.  They do sound and feel great to play, but when I dig in on a Les Paul or Vee, their 'vibe' inspires me to play better and dig in.  I don't get that with the 'plays like buttah' high end stuff.  Its not that PRS, Suhr etc. are bad or lack soul or any of that nonsense, quite the opposite - its just what feels right to one person isn't right for another.  Saying that though, I'd be prepared to give a Santana model a good gigging some time - they do have 'vibe' for me, but I ain't got anywhere near that kinda cash.

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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #71 on: June 30, 2012, 08:23:17 PM »
  :D Here is the reply i got from Dave-Twinfan (i hope you don't mind,Dave..),April 2007,when i asked him if he had ever played a PRS Custom22  :):
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No PRS for me - WAAAAY too expensive!

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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #72 on: June 30, 2012, 09:52:10 PM »
Although things do change! Right now I'd love to get a CS Fender but I would consider them WAAAAY too expensive at this moment in time. Roll on a few years and I reckon my position may change.
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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #73 on: June 30, 2012, 11:05:49 PM »
Although things do change! Right now I'd love to get a CS Fender but I would consider them WAAAAY too expensive at this moment in time. Roll on a few years and I reckon my position may change.

Yeah, I've increased my "upper limit" a few times in the last couple of years.  Still nowhere near PRS Private Stock levels, but I might consider Fender Custom Shop prices now....

(Obviously I don't have your other financial responsibilities!)
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Re: I vowed this would never happen...
« Reply #74 on: July 01, 2012, 09:35:21 AM »
Although things do change! Right now I'd love to get a CS Fender but I would consider them WAAAAY too expensive at this moment in time. Roll on a few years and I reckon my position may change.

Yeah, I've increased my "upper limit" a few times in the last couple of years.  Still nowhere near PRS Private Stock levels, but I might consider Fender Custom Shop prices now....

(Obviously I don't have your other financial responsibilities!)

And they are ridiculous too! Nearly £1k a month on child care and a weekly shopping bill of between £100 and £150. THat's the cost of a nice new guitar each month!

I really can't wait until the kids are old enough to be put to work as they can then start paying our mortgage off!
I think I hate being indecisive.