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Fixxxer_1988

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Black Dog split tone
« on: June 28, 2012, 10:42:09 AM »
I have just ordered some black dogs and going to be wiring them with a split coil push pull, I was just wondering if anyone has any experience with the single coil tome these pickups produce?

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Re: Black Dog split tone
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 07:20:46 PM »
No experience with BD at all, but from experience with quite a few other 'buckers, serie/parallel switching is very often better - still gives you a much more single-coilish tone (two coils in parallel is what you have in the in-betweens positions of a strat or tele) without becoming too wimpy/trebly (specially on lower output buckers) and it retains the humbucking effect. FWIW, a split gibson-type bucker will never sound like a Fenderish SC, it's not built the same way.

Just my 2 cents...
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Re: Black Dog split tone
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2012, 11:00:41 AM »
In the guitar where I use the Holydiver neck and the Cold Sweat neck in the bridge, the middle position automatically shuts off a coil of each pickup. This works well for cleaner tones but it's not really a strat tone.

Just go ahead and try the split-coil option and see how you like it. Then try the series/parallel wiring and see if you like it. Keep the one you like better. 

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Re: Black Dog split tone
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 12:23:43 PM »
I got a Black Dog neck pup in a LP clone wired to a Seymour Duncan triple shot mounting ring. I like both the single coil and the parallel tones, but the latter is closest to a real single coil to me just like BigB said.
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Re: Black Dog split tone
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2012, 06:19:10 PM »
I've been curious for a while about this...if you have a split-coil humbucker in a Strat, would the split tone sound the way it would if it was pure single coil?
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Re: Black Dog split tone
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2012, 09:07:18 PM »
Quote from: allstar100595 on June 30, 2012, 06:19:10 PM
I've been curious for a while about this...if you have a split-coil humbucker in a Strat, would the split tone sound the way it would if it was pure single coil?

Not in my (limited) experience. I got a Stormy Monday bridge in my strat and the split tones are sc-esque, but not like a true strat bridge pup.
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Re: Black Dog split tone
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2012, 10:49:09 PM »
Interesting, thanks
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Re: Black Dog split tone
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2012, 01:01:26 PM »
Quote from: allstar100595 on June 30, 2012, 06:19:10 PM
I've been curious for a while about this...if you have a split-coil humbucker in a Strat, would the split tone sound the way it would if it was pure single coil?

A split 'bucker is "a pure single coil", in that you indeed have one single coil in use. Now this won't sound like a Fender-type single-coil, due to differences in construction (magnet poles for the F-pups, steel poles with a magnet bar underneath for the G-pups), size and wiring. Just like a P90 (which is a "pure single coil" but built like a larger and flatter G-pup coil) does'nt sound like a F-pup, and a (authentic - not the current reissues) Fender Wide Range (which is a 'bucker but built like F-pups single-coils) doesn't sound like a G-pup.

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Re: Black Dog split tone
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2012, 12:30:06 AM »
A small addition: my Crawler (in a swampash strat) splits great. The single coil sound is convincing, even beefier then your average strat. Not really like in an SSS-set-up, but it's close and the sound is usefull in any case.
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Re: Black Dog split tone
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 08:11:47 PM »
I am not after a full on fender SC sound, i just wanted a little more glassy sound which is easier to clean up.

Answering my own question though:

I have fitted the BDs and put in the split... all I can say is "WOW", I can go from searing leads to gangly cleans with a few control changes and a little playing dynamics.

The BDs have bought my PRS back to life. Good bye Seymours (I wont miss you)
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Re: Black Dog split tone
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2012, 01:27:28 AM »
Quote from: Fixxxer_1988 on July 03, 2012, 08:11:47 PM
The BDs have bought my PRS back to life. Good bye Seymours (I wont miss you)

How is the sound different with the Black Dogs in your PRS? What model PRS is it?
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Re: Black Dog split tone
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2012, 08:14:58 PM »
Quote from: darrenw5094 on July 04, 2012, 01:27:28 AM
Quote from: Fixxxer_1988 on July 03, 2012, 08:11:47 PM
The BDs have bought my PRS back to life. Good bye Seymours (I wont miss you)

How is the sound different with the Black Dogs in your PRS? What model PRS is it?

The high end doesn't sound brittle and shrill, the mid range is actually present and the bass is solid and fast.

Although they are higher output than the SD they are so much more clear, they push the amp that little more (they work together now) and the details is immense. With the coil split I can go from full on Rock to jangley cleans without any effort.
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Re: Black Dog split tone
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2012, 08:16:38 PM »
Oh yes and it is a custom 22. I use 11s and tune to flat, so this certainly helps bring out the best the guitar has to offer.
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Re: Black Dog split tone
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2012, 10:54:42 PM »
Quote from: Fixxxer_1988 on July 05, 2012, 08:16:38 PM
Oh yes and it is a custom 22. I use 11s and tune to flat, so this certainly helps bring out the best the guitar has to offer.

Great guitar actually. I have a set of VHII's in mine. Looking for a different set for my CU24, which is a total different guitar, more honky and bassy. The CU22 is more balanced instrument than the CU24, but i am glad you like the BD's. :D
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