Best Death Metal Pedal Either New or Old or Not Made Anymore

[nfe]

That's really not aimed at death metal sounds at all though, is it? I thought it was a 'thrash in a box' kinda thing?

[WeAreNotGentlemen]

Boss hm-2 for old school sounds.

Line 6 Über Metal for newer sounds!

Yep. That's it.

[tekbow]

Don't think the tube screamer would be what you expect...

I'm a 5150/6505 fan although I don't have a proper version of the amp, yet.  Only a virtual version in revalver and in my vypyr 60.  The tube screamer will be exactly what I expect.  If all goes to plan I'll have a 6505+ 112 combo in the not too distant future  :)

See if you can grab an original 5150 combo, they seem reasonably priced on the bay these days

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peavey-5150-2x12-60w-valve-combo-EVH-Eddie-Van-Halen-not-Engl-Mesa-Marshall-/140811537829?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Amplifiers_RL&hash=item20c9058da5

Plus, US made (believe the 6505's aren't) and i just think they sound better than the 6505's.

That's if you're in the uk of course, but i imagine they're just as easy to find in the states.

not sure how the new ones are constructed but these have a closed back 212 cab which sounds f**king ridiculous when you turn up the resonance control. Then all you need to do is get one of the talented amp builders on here to sort out the cold bias and therefore the crossover distortion.

With one of these you just won't need a screamer. I never understood why anyone ever stuck a TS in front of these, they have ludicrous levels of gain and insane amounts of midrange grind (if thats you're thing) and a powerful mid control that can scoop it right out (if that's you're thing instead).

Am out of superlatives

[tekbow]

Dr. Pain

Also, don't waste your money on an Ibanez RI TS, either the 808 or TS9, they're ridiculously overpriced for a start, and def don't buy the keeley modded one, because the full TB mod+ is nearly 300 quid, and there isn't 170 quids worth of difference between them and the ibanez RI's. I have a full fat keeley modded vintage JRC chipped TS and if i hadn't have got it dirt cheap before the hype exploded on them i would never have bought it all.

IMO the visual sound route 808 pedal is the best bang for buck TS out there. This first vid did a lot to blow the op amp myth out the water and second one is just a great comparison between an ibanez 808 reissue and the route 808

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpTv2jAree8&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCZ7b5hqaxA

[Copperhead]

That's really not aimed at death metal sounds at all though, is it? I thought it was a 'thrash in a box' kinda thing?

Sounds like a Rev+ in a box. Tons of headroom.

[Dr.Pain]

Thanks for the heads up tekbow.  I was looking Ibanez but the price is stupid so I was looking at a Maxon 808 instead.  As for the amp, I had a go on a 5150 2 by 12 in shop many years ago and never forgotten it.  I couldn't afford it back then but I wish I had it.  I remember the shop assistant saying "please don't turn it up you'll blow us all out the shop".

[JDC]

There's also the maxon 820 although I believe the current version of it has a different name

[nfe]

That's really not aimed at death metal sounds at all though, is it? I thought it was a 'thrash in a box' kinda thing?

Sounds like a Rev+ in a box. Tons of headroom.

So, thrash in a box, then? :lol:

[Retalaitor]

See if you can grab an original 5150 combo, they seem reasonably priced on the bay these days

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peavey-5150-2x12-60w-valve-combo-EVH-Eddie-Van-Halen-not-Engl-Mesa-Marshall-/140811537829?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Amplifiers_RL&hash=item20c9058da5

Plus, US made (believe the 6505's aren't) and i just think they sound better than the 6505's.

That's if you're in the uk of course, but i imagine they're just as easy to find in the states.

not sure how the new ones are constructed but these have a closed back 212 cab which sounds f**king ridiculous when you turn up the resonance control. Then all you need to do is get one of the talented amp builders on here to sort out the cold bias and therefore the crossover distortion.

With one of these you just won't need a screamer. I never understood why anyone ever stuck a TS in front of these, they have ludicrous levels of gain and insane amounts of midrange grind (if thats you're thing) and a powerful mid control that can scoop it right out (if that's you're thing instead).

Am out of superlatives

I definitely agree with this. I have both a 5150 combo (with Celestion G12K-100 and Super Lead speakers) and a 6505+ head and can't see why anyone would need any Tube Screamer or OD pedals at all with this amps. The gain is all anyone could ever use on both these amps. I've got a Washburn Custom Shop Idol (with a WP in the bridge) and an ESP Viper (81/85) and couldn't think of a better set-up for what I play. The tonal variety on these amps should be all anyone would need. I'll admit that the cleans aren't great - but I don't play cleans anyway so no worries there.

[MDV]

HM-2 is THE death metal pedal. At least insofar as classic dm sounds are concerned. Mostly it's tubescreamers/ts clones into 5150s these days.

Correct

If you want to know what is most often used, then this accounts for a very, very large proportion of it. Usually into V30s or T75s and almost always an SM57 (sometimes paired with something else; a R121 or MD421 or E609 or 906 or whatever).

Quite a few other amps get used, but 5150 is the single most common by quite a long way and pedal wise its HM2 for old school brutal, TS9/808/820 as a boost for more modern sounds. Very little else gets more than a look-in.

[JDC]

Is there any "typical" settings for a HM2 when it's used with a 5150 for deathmetal tones?

[MDV]

I'm not sure the two meet on any sort of regular basis. Its TS-types that get stuck infront of 5150s (and rectos and the like).

Typical settings for HM2 - Turn all the dials all the way around.

I dont want to think about what that would sound like infront of a 5150.

[richardjmorgan]

I dont want to think about what that would sound like infront of a 5150.

Presumably it might not sound utterly dreadful if you were running the 5150 much cleaner than usual? Although I guess that kind of defeats the point of having a 5150.

If memory serves correctly, the old Sunlight Studios guitar sound was achieved by running a HM-2 with everything set to max (like MDV said) into a pretty much clean solid state amp. Which is a very different approach from boosting a 5150 with an OD pedal.

[tekbow]

And a totally different thing from say cannibal corpse running an HM2 into a triple rec. Still convinced the pedal is a booster in that case

[Alex]

Something like that yes, on the last album they mixed a Mesa Mark something (5?) with a Rectifier. The album definitely sounds like the Mesa base sound, but boosted with something much more rawer than a Tubescreamer; it sounds a bit over the top to be honest and works ok on the rhythm sounds, but the solos on the record could sound better IMO.