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richardjmorgan

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Where to start with making pedals?
« on: August 06, 2012, 07:13:07 PM »
I've been faffing about with (and reading a lot about) effects pedals quite a lot of late, and I'd quite like to have a crack at putting something together myself. Where's a good, fairly idiot-proof, place to start with this? I know one end of a soldering iron from the other but that's about it – I wish I'd paid for attention in Technology lessons when I was 13 now!

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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2012, 08:17:25 PM »
Idiot proof you say?
head on over to build your own clone.

They come with step by step instructions and its virtually impossible to go wrong.
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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2012, 03:29:16 AM »
As Toe-Knee said, BYOC

http://www.buildyourownclone.com/

You can buy the kits here

http://www.vibe-o-tronic.co.uk/

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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2012, 09:14:22 AM »
Cheers guys! Now I just need to decide want I want to make!

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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2012, 09:12:36 PM »
A fuzz or tubescreamer would be a good place to start as theyre both very simple. But with BYOC it doesn't really matter as they make everything simple.

I'm gonna take a crack at doing a vero board version of their 10 band EQ at some point.
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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2012, 10:56:55 PM »
There are plenty of people selling kits on the internet as well as BYOC, eg

http://diypedalkits.com/
http://pedalparts.co.uk/category/fullkits/
http://www.musikding.de/Kits/Musikding-Kits:::52_122.html

Unless you have the tools (and the patience), I would try to get a kit that has a pre-drilled box.

Also you will need to consider what tools you need to do the job. Of paramount importance is a soldering iron and appropriate solder.

Trying to build a kit with am antique 12W soldering iron and Maplin's el cheapo lead-free solder will put you off pedal building for life.

You will also need some decent side cutters and some wire strippers, as well as more common tools such as adjustable spanner, screw drivers etc.


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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2012, 09:44:46 AM »
http://pedalparts.co.uk/category/fullkits/
Terrifying dog thing at the top of the page aside, this looks ideal – not as spendy as BYOC and I like the idea of actually trying to learn what's going on in terms of how they work, rather than just putting bits where it tells me. Think I'm going to have a crack at the Bazz Fuzz or Treble Booster.

Also you will need to consider what tools you need to do the job. Of paramount importance is a soldering iron and appropriate solder.

Trying to build a kit with am antique 12W soldering iron and Maplin's el cheapo lead-free solder will put you off pedal building for life.

You will also need some decent side cutters and some wire strippers, as well as more common tools such as adjustable spanner, screw drivers etc.

Hopefully I should be ok; I have some old, non-lead-free solder that I dug out of my dad's garage and I managed to change the pots on my Tele without messing it up too badly (i.e. noise comes out of it and everything's still working a few months down the line).

Thanks again for all the help/suggestions, everyone! I sometimes wonder how anyone managed to do anything at all before the internet.

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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2012, 11:00:20 AM »
I'd suggest (poodle's) pedal parts, they have a fantastic customer service, next day delivery and great quality. This isn't an advert lol... I've ordered a SHO, Rangemaster and Axis Fuzz from them...

p.s if you follow them on Facebook you'll get loads of updates on new pedals etc. Took me 30 mins to put together their rangemaster clone inside my Telecaster and it cost 20 quid....

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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2012, 06:51:22 PM »
If you want to get a bit more in depth and do pretty much everything from scratch check out

http://www.sabrotone.com/

Its a lot more work but I find it a lot more rewarding too.
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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2012, 09:58:45 AM »
i started with a musikding kit. they're cheap, the doc is straightforward, everything needed comes with a simple click.
the only downside is that the pcbs are badly designed, and it's impossible to have a clean wiring inside the pedal with them.
the tremolo is great!

Be warned though, after the first pedal started, i started to spend all my nights looking at pedal stuff, reading, gathering informations, buying stuff ... and i ended up spending a LOT of money in this passion... :)
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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2012, 10:02:32 AM »
i started with a musikding kit. they're cheap, the doc is straightforward, everything needed comes with a simple click.
the only downside is that the pcbs are badly designed, and it's impossible to have a clean wiring inside the pedal with them.
the tremolo is great!

Be warned though, after the first pedal started, i started to spend all my nights looking at pedal stuff, reading, gathering informations, buying stuff ... and i ended up spending a LOT of money in this passion... :)


In what way were they badly designed? I haven't used any of them but have considered it every now and then.
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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2012, 10:45:04 AM »
Start with something from BYOC. Everything's in and they're bloody good pedals as a rule. Their forum is excellent for the beginner and it's not just for BYOC stuff. It is genuinely the friendliest of the DIY boards and there's a lot of good peeps there.

When you want to go on from here it becomes more interesting. Getting into vero will open up a scary amount of options. But if you want to stick with PCBs and sourcing your own parts, there are quite a few places that do that. Madbean's PCB's are uniformly excellent and are all fabbed now. GuitarPCB's PCBs are generally etched but are also excellent.

There are loads of links on my site in the Stompage section for forums/PCBs/projects/parts. http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/index.html Including a couple of tutorials with some finishing methods. Which is by far the most time consuming bit of making most pedals. We spent all of yesterday for example drilling, polising and decalling about 6 enclosures. That doesn't include time designing them and laying them out or indeed applying the envirotex finish. Which in itself takes a few hours then about 4 days to cure.

Actually just assembling PCB's is easy. Wiring them into a box can be as hard or easy as you make it depending on how neat/quiet you want it to be.

When you start to get your head around it all, then you can start modifying things and doing your own stuff. Which is when it becomes really fun.

You don't need much to start off with. An 18-20 watt iron is fine. Get some good side clippers, pliers and wire strippers. An iron stand and sponge (keep your tip clean). A solder sucker, some helping hands (little stand with a pair of croc clips on it) and a digital multimeter (get one with a transistor tester). These are the basics. You can then make yourself things that'll make your life easier like a signal tester, a 'wobble box' (see my site, I couldn't think of a better name for it), and stuff like that. For the enclosures you'll want a drill press, a cone cutter (try to get one that goes up in 1mm increments) and a 3mm drill bit. I pilot everything with the 3mm bit then follow it through with the cone. Makes life massively easier.

What you will find is that you'll be able to make circuits and try them for peanuts. But to actually build a box from end to end is massively time consuming and sadly, not really vocationally viable. As unless you can sell them for £200+, you'll never get paid for the time it takes to make one. Simple as that. BUT, for the DIYer, you will be able to make yourself pedals at cost. Which is a LOT less than you buy them for.

Welcome to the club. It's a very, very addictive hobby. I dare not count how many I've built in the last 3 years, but I'm certainly over a hundred now, oh and for the financials, still in the red ;)
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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2012, 06:35:44 PM »
i started with a musikding kit. they're cheap, the doc is straightforward, everything needed comes with a simple click.
the only downside is that the pcbs are badly designed, and it's impossible to have a clean wiring inside the pedal with them.
the tremolo is great!

Be warned though, after the first pedal started, i started to spend all my nights looking at pedal stuff, reading, gathering informations, buying stuff ... and i ended up spending a LOT of money in this passion... :)


In what way were they badly designed? I haven't used any of them but have considered it every now and then.

Used their Der Kompressor board and it was good. Nothing wrong with that.
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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2012, 06:39:04 PM »
i started with a musikding kit. they're cheap, the doc is straightforward, everything needed comes with a simple click.
the only downside is that the pcbs are badly designed, and it's impossible to have a clean wiring inside the pedal with them.
the tremolo is great!

Be warned though, after the first pedal started, i started to spend all my nights looking at pedal stuff, reading, gathering informations, buying stuff ... and i ended up spending a LOT of money in this passion... :)


In what way were they badly designed? I haven't used any of them but have considered it every now and then.

Used their Der Kompressor board and it was good. Nothing wrong with that.

A bit off topic. But have you built any plexitones using madbeans boards? it seems like an interesting project and something that would actually be useful. Most of the pedals I build I use for a month or so then they get stuck in the drawer of no return.

I really wish someone would come out with a digital reverb PCB it's one of the only things that I actually need.
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Re: Where to start with making pedals?
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2012, 06:42:24 PM »
Digital reverb?

What's wrong with a spring tank? You could knock a tube-driven one up in half an hour!