P90 guitar GAS (NGD, updated with pictures)....

[HTH AMPS]

Thanks for the ideas and comments guys.

Definitely decided a road trip is in order, need to try these babies out before any NGD is decided.

Doesn't harm to mull over the options though  8)

btw, hows this for GAS...  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120986133601?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619#ht_1060wt_1397

[Philly Q]

btw, hows this for GAS...  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120986133601?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619#ht_1060wt_1397

That is beautiful (although the chrome knobs would have to go, immediately!)

I have serious long-term  GAS for an LP Custom, but I'm pretty much resigned to never getting one - you never seem to see any lighter weight examples. 

I'd be happy with an MIJ "copy", but crucially the Grecos, Orvilles, Burnys etc don't have ebony boards, which seems to almost defeat the object (as far as I'm concerned, anyway).  Edwards do a couple of Customs with ebony boards, but the recent Edwards I've owned weren't as nice as the older ones.... and Tokai also do an ebony-board Custom, but it's almost as expensive as the "real thing".  :|

[Philly Q]

just remembered, richtone has an MIJ tokai like that for £400. Not saying it'll be as good as the reissue (it's not nitro, for a start), but it should be pretty good, far better than epi and the like.

I saw that earlier today - almost bought it on reflex, just because it's so rare to see Richtone offering anything half price!  :lol:

Then I remembered I have an Epiphone Jr which is undoubtedly every bit as good, and even the same colour.... so it seemed a bit silly to buy the Tokai.  It's a bargain for someone, though!

[dave_mc]

^ :lol:

they had a v at half price too, and an explorer.

of course, the v was in cherry (i'd prefer white), the explorer was in white (prefer natural) and i'd prefer a doublecut junior to a single cut (and also ideally TV yellow, i think).

So i didn't buy any of them. :lol: But it's annoying how close they were to perfect. :lol:

EDIT: yeah to get ebony on the MIJs ups the price, unfortunately. I know why they do it (to persuade you to buy the dearer one), but I don't like it either. I mean the upcost of ebony over rosewood is very, very little. it's a marketing move to help shift their dearer models, I think. :(

[Philly Q]

yeah to get ebony on the MIJs ups the price, unfortunately. I know why they do it (to persuade you to buy the dearer one), but I don't like it either. I mean the upcost of ebony over rosewood is very, very little. it's a marketing move to help shift their dearer models, I think. :(

We had a similar discussion a while ago when I was considering buying that Tokai '54-style goldtop LP with P-90s.  

Even though I'm always paying over the odds for guitars (more fool me  :roll: ), £1,500 for a Tokai which is no more than a "Les Paul copy" just seems excessive, regardless of the intrinsic quality of the guitar (if it was £1,000.... I'd probably go for it  :lol: ).

The biggest problem is if you decide to move it on, because most people really don't know the difference between a £600 Tokai and a £1,500 one - at best, they might realise there are Korean ones and Japanese ones, but very few people realise there are so many different models at different price points.

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[Philly Q]

We had a similar discussion a while ago when I was considering buying that Tokai '54-style goldtop LP with P-90s.  

I've just realised that by going off topic, I've inadvertently gone back on topic again - I'm talking about guitars with P-90s!  :lol:

I did eventually buy that Tokai goldtop with P-90s, when the price dropped to £999.... and I didn't like it, so I sent it back and swapped it for an Edwards LP Special.  I didn't like that either, but I was too embarrassed to sent it back, so I sold it (at a massive loss  :| ).  But.... I still wanted an LP Special, so I bought a Gibson VOS, which is excellent.

So, I guess the lesson might be.... it's worth buying something good in the first place.  :?

[HTH AMPS]

Ian - we do monthly instalments.....

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But it'd be two years down the line by the time I had it in my hands the rate of my finances - thats no cure for GAS Jon  ;0)

[dave_mc]

We had a similar discussion a while ago when I was considering buying that Tokai '54-style goldtop LP with P-90s.  

Even though I'm always paying over the odds for guitars (more fool me  :roll: ), £1,500 for a Tokai which is no more than a "Les Paul copy" just seems excessive, regardless of the intrinsic quality of the guitar (if it was £1,000.... I'd probably go for it  :lol: ).

The biggest problem is if you decide to move it on, because most people really don't know the difference between a £600 Tokai and a £1,500 one - at best, they might realise there are Korean ones and Japanese ones, but very few people realise there are so many different models at different price points.

yep, good points :)

that being said, if i were in the market for a custom shop-priced gibson, i'd be trying those high-end tokais as well. I agree that keeping resale value in mind is important, but at the same time i'm not sure buying a guitar you don't like as much is sensible, either. "Its resale value is better!" risks becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy, lol.

I've just realised that by going off topic, I've inadvertently gone back on topic again - I'm talking about guitars with P-90s!  :lol:

I did eventually buy that Tokai goldtop with P-90s, when the price dropped to £999.... and I didn't like it, so I sent it back and swapped it for an Edwards LP Special.  I didn't like that either, but I was too embarrassed to sent it back, so I sold it (at a massive loss  :| ).  But.... I still wanted an LP Special, so I bought a Gibson VOS, which is excellent.

So, I guess the lesson might be.... it's worth buying something good in the first place.  :?

yep, definitely (and that sucks about having to sell the edwards at a loss :( ). I'm not saying the custom shop gibsons are worse than the tokais (i think i've only tried the gibson standards), i'm just saying if i were going to that price, i'd be trying everything I could and wouldn't be too worried about the name on the headstock. :)

[Philly Q]

^

All very true - but I know when I buy a guitar, no matter how much I like it at the time, there's at least a 50:50 chance I'll end up selling it.  Sometimes I even get into a selling frenzy and when I look back I can't understand why I sold some things....  :?  (although that's no more irrational than spur-of-the-moment buying, I guess.)

So for me, even though it's "head ruling heart", it really is worth bearing resale value in mind.

[dave_mc]

^ yep, that's a very important point- at the end of the day, it matters most what you're like. (And it's not sensible taking advice from people who are completely different types of people from you.) I'm the opposite, when I buy something I normally keep it (the only thing i can remember selling is my marshall avt, and i hated that :lol: ), so for me actually thinking the thing is the best guitar available is more important than the resale value. :) If you're the kind of person who's always buying and selling (not that there's anything wrong with that :lol: ) then definitely take the resale value into consideration.

I'm also not saying the way I do things is necessarily the right way either- sometimes (actually most of the time) the way I am annoys me :lol: I have a tendency to massively overthink things for ages (regarding a purchase)- and then just get pissed off at how indecisive I am and impulse buy like 3 guitars inside a week. :lol: I mean I guess all the original thinking didn't go to waste, but if I was going to just impulse buy something I could have saved myself a lot of bother :lol:

[Philly Q]

I'm also not saying the way I do things is necessarily the right way either- sometimes (actually most of the time) the way I am annoys me :lol: I have a tendency to massively overthink things for ages (regarding a purchase)- and then just get pissed off at how indecisive I am and impulse buy like 3 guitars inside a week. :lol: I mean I guess all the original thinking didn't go to waste, but if I was going to just impulse buy something I could have saved myself a lot of bother :lol:

That's very interesting to me, you'll impulse buy 3 guitars in a week..... and KEEP them!

Whereas if I did that, you can virtually guarantee I wouldn't be happy with any of them and I'd sell them off very quickly - and quite possibly in a very irrational manner.  I bought quite a few guitars last year and most are already sold, including a Les Paul Studio which was actually really cool - great neck, light weight.  I only had it a matter of weeks and when I think back now I can't imagine why I didn't keep it.  :(   I was just locked into buy/sell/buy/sell mode....

I've always been like that if I spend too much at once - even when I was a kid, if I went out and bought 3 or 4 albums in one go I'd never get into any of them properly.  I need to acquire things one at a time and appreciate them individually!

[gordiji]

I ended up buying 'that' Tokai goldtop in the Richtone xmas sale, £799. Bargain.It's a great guitar made greater knowing you couldn't even make it for the sale price(well nearly).
The moral for me is don't have fixed ideas regarding colours etc but look for value, 95% of a good guitar is its contstruction, components.

[dave_mc]

^ nice score :) Yeah they've had deals on, on and off, for a while now. I think they're trying to get rid of their tokai and edwards stock as they're gibson dealers now.

That's very interesting to me, you'll impulse buy 3 guitars in a week..... and KEEP them!

Whereas if I did that, you can virtually guarantee I wouldn't be happy with any of them and I'd sell them off very quickly - and quite possibly in a very irrational manner.  I bought quite a few guitars last year and most are already sold, including a Les Paul Studio which was actually really cool - great neck, light weight.  I only had it a matter of weeks and when I think back now I can't imagine why I didn't keep it.  :(   I was just locked into buy/sell/buy/sell mode....

I've always been like that if I spend too much at once - even when I was a kid, if I went out and bought 3 or 4 albums in one go I'd never get into any of them properly.  I need to acquire things one at a time and appreciate them individually!

3 might have been a slight exaggeration... but i've definitely bought two guitars very close together on occasion :lol: Granted that might have been because they were on offer, but still.

But yeah I prefer buying things singly too, as you said, you get to appreciate them better. i'm always annoyed when several good deals come along at once, I'd rather they'd be spread out.

When i used to subscribe to guitar magazines it always used to annoy me that there'd be nothing for a month, and then 3 would arrive on the same day. :lol:

[HTH AMPS]

P90 GAS CURED!!! - incoming, watch this space  :D