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mecca777

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Re: Thoughts on vintage guitars vs boutique guitars
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2013, 04:31:13 PM »
In years to come i wander if "country of origin" will be as important. In the past, vintage guitars had to bear the words "made in U.S.A" to be considered classics. 70's and 80's Japanese guitars are considered vintage classics nowadays and rightly so. these days you can get solidly built guitars from Mexico, Korea and even China but do you think these will be so highly regarded in 30 years time?

Trying to say something on topic ( :lol:), I think that's a good point.

Japanese guitars have definitely acquired some vintage value, and there's the whole legend built up around particular factories like Fujigen and Matsumoku.

I don't think there's any evidence of anything similar building up around Korean guitars, even though they've been around for a long time now.  Maybe some of the Mexican Fenders will acquire a bit of a following in years to come, I don't know.

I agree; some of the Korean factories (World and Unsung in particular) have increasingly high reputations for the guitars they make for the likes of PRS SE and Ltd, but I don't think that will be enough to make them "vintage" in twenty years' time. My gut feeling is that the drivers which created the vintage guitar market and then the "lawsuit" guitar industry are unlikely to arise again. Companies are much better at marketing, hitting different price points and responding to trends.

As I've always understood it, the vintage guitar market was essentially created by Gibson; they stopped making a guitar that went on to become iconic and were slow to spot the demand when guitar players were after sunburst Les Pauls, forcing them to buy used. These days, if a model is out of production when demand or a suitable niche arises, manufacturers bring them back - there are quite a number of models I can think of from the '90s and early 2000s that have reappeared in recent years just around the point when changing trends might have sent people to eBay and Craigslist to hunt down originals.

I don't know if there's a chance for modern guitars to develop that mystique based on unavailability; maybe US Hamers will start to appreciate now, but at a certain point I imagine that would provoke FMIC into reviving the brand (evidenced by shiny new Guild electrics at NAMM this year).

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Re: Thoughts on vintage guitars vs boutique guitars
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2013, 06:14:19 PM »
I don't know if there's a chance for modern guitars to develop that mystique based on unavailability; maybe US Hamers will start to appreciate now, but at a certain point I imagine that would provoke FMIC into reviving the brand (evidenced by shiny new Guild electrics at NAMM this year).

I've noticed that vintage (i.e. '80s) Hamers are going relatively cheap on eBay.  More recent models - which were much more highly-priced when new - are still quite pricey, but I don't know if they're actually selling at those prices.

Willcutt guitars have a whole load of beautiful new Hamers in stock.  I thought US production had completely ceased, so I guess they must be new old stock:

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Willcutt-Guitars/_i.html?_nkw=hamer&_sid=13414687
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Re: Thoughts on vintage guitars vs boutique guitars
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2013, 06:42:44 PM »
Those actually do look really nice.

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Re: Thoughts on vintage guitars vs boutique guitars
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2013, 06:07:23 AM »
the only "vintage" guitar i own is a 79 Guild S-60 (love that guitar, hence the user name) and although it's been used and abused over the years, it still plays great and sounds fantastic (only guitar i've owned that i haven't wanted to change the pickups). i also own a 98 Dearmond Starfire Special which was basically a cheaper Guild re-issue made in Korea, the secondhand values of these has risen quite a bit recently. As you said earlier they are re-issuing them again with the Guild logo and made in Korea again i believe. i love Fender guitars but what they've done with some of the companies they have aquired leaves a lot to desired, i guess that's buisiness though.

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Re: Thoughts on vintage guitars vs boutique guitars
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2013, 03:32:16 PM »
i had the very same thought, i like a lot of modern technology, but we all managed just fine without being in 24 hour contact with everyone.  but as you say Dave, out here in the wilds it was a lot harder to come by music, books, films, anything really!  even now, we still have to travel if we want to actually see bands.

i'm about 40 miles from Belfast too, but i think it's in a different direction.  glad there's more than one direction  :P

yeah i think so. :lol:

I actually grew up in Swansea, so sort of halfway between being in the sticks and being in a really big city.  I used to walk five miles to town along the seafront to spend two weeks' pocket money on a Robin Trower or Rainbow album - every penny counted, no spare cash for the bus!  :lol:

I can't really imagine growing up in London, it would've been a weird place to go to school I think.... depends where in London you were, of course.

yeah i think the ideal is probably not being in a big city but being close enough to one that you can pretty much go as often as you like.

I have read somewhere that wood guitars could be phased out soon. Not sure about the validity of it, but it's certainly quite frightening to think about if you ask me!

can we use that as an excuse for buying way too many guitars? :D

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Re: Thoughts on vintage guitars vs boutique guitars
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2013, 04:27:55 PM »
I have read somewhere that wood guitars could be phased out soon. Not sure about the validity of it, but it's certainly quite frightening to think about if you ask me!

can we use that as an excuse for buying way too many guitars? :D

I had better bring forward my spending plans before it's too late....
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Re: Thoughts on vintage guitars vs boutique guitars
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2013, 03:06:27 PM »
I have read somewhere that wood guitars could be phased out soon. Not sure about the validity of it, but it's certainly quite frightening to think about if you ask me!

can we use that as an excuse for buying way too many guitars? :D

I had better bring forward my spending plans before it's too late....

I was gonna say all you guys who have sold loads of wooden guitars over the years will kicking yerselves :lol:
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Re: Thoughts on vintage guitars vs boutique guitars
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2013, 03:43:03 PM »
Yeah when those silly plywood guitars go on eBay for $1000 I'll sure be kicking myself.

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Re: Thoughts on vintage guitars vs boutique guitars
« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2013, 04:45:12 PM »
I had better bring forward my spending plans before it's too late....

:lol:

you'll need to save some of that money for a few more beds, though...

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Re: Thoughts on vintage guitars vs boutique guitars
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2013, 06:04:01 PM »
I was thinking I might go for a bunk bed and chuck out the bottom bunk.

Actually, that's really not a bad idea.....  :? :lol:
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Re: Thoughts on vintage guitars vs boutique guitars
« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2013, 04:01:08 PM »
hahahaha :lol: