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Famous choices for metal
« on: June 23, 2013, 01:00:01 AM »
Cheers guys,

so while I'm taking a break from learning I thought I'll do some pickup talk.

From all the available options out there a guitar player has for metal, which ones do instantly spring to your mind?

From the BKPs I own I'm really enjoying the Painkiller. I don't wanna go into depth right now, it just does it's job amazingly well. I believe its a more suited alternative to the Aftermath for me since I kinda was always put off a bit by the "quakiness" and dryness the AM seems to have (Djent anyone loool) and it just doesn't have that (or at least not to that extent most clips of the AM seem to have)

From all the Seymour Duncans I tried I really like the JB, although it certainly isn't near as tight as my Holydiver. I don't like the Invaders I bought (gonna go into a cheap guitar probably) just way too muddy. So the Duncan Distortion seems to be another very popular choice for metal...

And considering actives there's the legendary EMG 81 of course.

Never played Dimarzios, but never been really amazed by the sound clips either.

So on first thought those come to my mind: BKP Painkiller, Seymour Duncan Jeff Beck and Distortion and the EMG 81.

Anything I'm missing here or any pickups you feel should be mentioned when we're talking metal? Fire away!

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Re: Famous choices for metal
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2013, 09:25:19 AM »
Mmmmmmm......

Metal is a very broad term so there are lots of possibilities that would fit this description. My favourites are obviously the Holydiver and Miracle Man but that probably says more about the era in which I grew up than anything else. The A-Bomb was a great Metal pickup but was just a bit too extreme for me. The same is probably true of things like the Aftermath. Thinking about it, most of the BKP range will do Metal. The only 'Hot' pickup that I probably wouldn't use for Metal would be the Crawler but I daresay even that could pull it off in the right guitar and with the right amp so I suppose the answer to your post is 'Anything from the contemporary range'. Having said that, anything in the Vintage Hot range can do Metal too, even the Abraxas if you listen to some of the clips by HTH Amps. There's even a lot of the Vintage range that could pull it off.

My experience of other pickups is more limited. I've tried Seymour Duncan Hotrails and JB, both of which left me unimpressed, though they both worked a lot better in a Strat. I've also tried Invaders and overall I really liked them. Sure, they could get a bit muddy but I didn't find them as bad as many people make out and I loved the thick, aggressive tone. Generally speaking I preferred my experience with DiMarzio, where my Metal pickup of choice would certainly be the Super Distortion. That's one of the few pickups I would genuinely consider buying that isn't BKP, though that's partly driven by the fact that there isn't really a BKP alternative. I also liked the PAF Pro, though that's more Rock than Metal. I don't really like EMG at all. They do what they do well and I can see the appeal but to me, they just have no soul. The new EMG 66 does sound really good though for a neck pickup so I suppose I could be tempted by a 57/66 set even though there are more obvious EMG pickups for Metal.
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Re: Famous choices for metal
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2013, 01:08:51 PM »
EMG 81 has been used a lot in metal.

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Re: Famous choices for metal
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2013, 10:50:39 AM »
I'm talking the really heavy genres of metal here. Nothing too classic. Thrash, Death, Technical and so on. The 81 is obviously the favourite...

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Re: Famous choices for metal
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 10:17:41 AM »
Some of the high output pickups marketed for metal were the Seymour Duncan JB (never bonded with that though), Bill Lawrence L-500 XL (both the Wilde and OBL specimen, liked both for different reasons), DiMarzio Super Distortion, Breed and Tone Zone (all very loud, sizzly and dark midrangey, can be fun in the right guitar) and also the EMG 81 (not really my thing). To me though, the right amp and cab appears to be more important for metal tones than the guitar pickup.

Funnily enough I have never played the Duncan Distortion or any of his pickups with "Custom" in the name.

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Re: Famous choices for metal
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 03:55:08 PM »
As far as the Amp and Cab goes, that's certainly true. Not so long ago my Valveking got back from the technician after a valve blew up, he swapped them out for new ones (6l6s) and what I have perceived is a change in sound which is rather... annoying. Sure, the Amp sounds "better" now that it has new valves, but at the same time it has become so sizzling in sound with way too much highs and a lack of low end that playing anything other than my Jackson Fusion with it is horrible. I have the feeling that either the old tubes, being quite worn (I'm the 3rd owner of the thing and it never had a tube swap before) had a warmer and softer sound to them or the new ones are really cheap. Then again the Cab (Laney GS412la, Tonni Iommi signature) has Celestion 70 eighties in it which are said to be sizzling in sound. The Jackson actually is naturally a darker guitar and the Painkiller sounds perfectly balanced in it, however I still need to be carefull with the treble and the presence. My Strat which is on the very bright side sounds horrible through it. The Holydiver has no bottom end and almost a single coil like quality to it, however playing through my Orange Micro Terror with it the Strat sounds fine and I have to dial in a brighter sound for the Jackson...

So I guess no pickup will save me here, except maybe a Warpig I could put into the Strat, I'm sure I'll need a new Cab or Amp.

Back to the topic: I have read about DiMarzios (as said, never played one) being good regarding note separation (Duncans suck at it compared to BKPs) but always having an artificial flavour to them. Also the Crunchlab and Liquifire set seem to be a popular combination for metal and all the "djent" stuff...

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Re: Famous choices for metal
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013, 04:33:05 PM »
Although I'm no expert on extreme metal, back in the '80s and '90s I really liked the DiMarzio MegaDrive - in a mahogany guitar it sounded really big, tight and crunchy, lots of bass but none of the horrible midrange mud of the Tone Zone.

Apparently the Steve's Special is fairly similar, but more scooped (the Crunch Lab and D-Sonic look like the MegaDrive but don't sound like it, apparently)
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Re: Famous choices for metal
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2013, 10:44:56 PM »
The gibson 500t and 498r have been used on a lot of metal records.

As has the X2N but that is one horrible sounding pickup.

For me the 81 & the JB are the definitive metal tones in regards to recordings.

But for personal preference i'd rather go with the EMG JH's or the Bulldog Black label followed by the entwistle HDN then the BKP Miracle man in that specific order.
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Re: Famous choices for metal
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2013, 07:00:10 AM »
Based on what I've tried I'd say emg 81, bkp miracle man, bkp sinner (quite unique for metal, very growly), and lundgren m6, but I also have high hopes for the Entwistle HDN I ordered a few days ago.

Also, based on my research (I've never actually tried them) I would think: Nailbomb and some of the Motor City pickups.  I have a set of Motor City Detroiters and they are my all around favorite pickups for high gain (even for extreme styles of metal).  Even though they are low output they still are incredible under high gain.
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Re: Famous choices for metal
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2013, 10:24:48 AM »
The thread is about which pickups are most used in metal no? Bare knuckle is obviously not popular enough to mention.

The most popular is and always has been the EMG 81, period. The duncan JB is probably the most used passive pickup, and other than that, Gibson is by far the most used guitars in metal music, and many bands (especially slude/doom) use them stock.

These days the internet has made it so people can actually look for pickups if they were interested, but most guitarist these days just get a ESP guitar loaded with EMG's and don't hesitate or think about it. Nothing wrong with that.

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Re: Famous choices for metal
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2013, 10:39:18 AM »
... back in the '80s and '90s I really liked the DiMarzio MegaDrive - in a mahogany guitar it sounded really big, tight and crunchy, lots of bass but none of the horrible midrange mud of the Tone Zone.

Oh yeah - totally forgot about that one. They are no longer making them though - don't really know why. I thought this was one of the better high output models they made.

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Re: Famous choices for metal
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2013, 12:11:52 PM »
... back in the '80s and '90s I really liked the DiMarzio MegaDrive - in a mahogany guitar it sounded really big, tight and crunchy, lots of bass but none of the horrible midrange mud of the Tone Zone.

Oh yeah - totally forgot about that one. They are no longer making them though - don't really know why. I thought this was one of the better high output models they made.

They're still available as a special order, or at least they were a few years ago.

I actually went to the trouble of ordering one (in green!), but they sent me standard-spaced instead of F-spaced then refused to exchange it, which pissed me off a bit.  To be fair, it may have been the dealer's error rather than DiMarzio's, I don't know.

I think I've still got one somewhere under my bed...
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Re: Famous choices for metal
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2013, 03:05:39 PM »
The A-Bomb was a great Metal pickup but was just a bit too extreme for me.

As the new owner of an A-bomb in a Gibson SG I would say that the A-bomb definitely has an abrasive, aggressive character that means when it is on full it has a hardcore punk vibe to it, although it definitely has metal tones as well, especially as you roll the knobs back a bit.  Definitely heavy punk and crossover though (and I'm not thinking of metalcore here, although I'm guessing it would be fine for that genre), stuff like Venomous Concept, S.O.B., Discharge, D.R.I., Poison Idea, The Exploited, or Ratos de Porao.
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Re: Famous choices for metal
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2013, 03:08:14 PM »
The most popular is and always has been the EMG 81, period. The duncan JB is probably the most used passive pickup, and other than that, Gibson is by far the most used guitars in metal music, and many bands (especially slude/doom) use them stock.

That's certainly true. It seems though that you can't go wrong with the JB and the 81, at least when you want a safe fallback option. I'm pretty sure that Bareknuckles will get lots of recognition in the future :)