ISP Decimator G-String II

[JimmyMoorby]

Thats what I mean the decimator would sort out pedal noise easily and any hissing noises but its the guitar and amp which will be the problem for that loud ringing in between notes that's where a gate comes in.

Ive always played very loud and whilst I was playing thrash I never even used a noise gate but that must have been because I was playing so fast all the time theres no time for feeback but when youre not going mental all the time I guess that's where the squeals come in and in my last band which was brief was a brief experience the music rythm wise was much slower and feedback was a problem but forleads which were faster it was fine.

If you dont have any thing in your loop sounds like an ns2 at the start and a decimator at the end would be perfect but of course experiment as there arent any rules.  Youll also find you wont have to set your decimator so high just to cut down on pedal/preamp noise.

I actually took the plunge with 2 noise gates after seeing bullet for my valentine use 2 boss ns2's (Shudders at BMFV but decent guitar tone for an emo band) and Misha Monsoor uses 3 noise gates an ns2, decimiator and one built into his amp.

I just use a guitar, amp, overdrive pedal, delay pedal and 2 noise gates.

[Dave Sloven]

Try the NS2 - you have one, right? - in the x-pattern with your screamer in front of your amp and leave the rest how it currently is.  If JimmyMoorby's theory is right that should fix it.  Unless you have expanded your set up that's all you should need to include in the loop.

[JimmyMoorby]

Try the NS2 - you have one, right? - in the x-pattern with your screamer in front of your amp and leave the rest how it currently is.  If JimmyMoorby's theory is right that should fix it.  Unless you have expanded your set up that's all you should need to include in the loop.

Actually thats not what what I was saying but it could work but it didnt work for me and ill explain why.
The first one in the x pattern isnt set that high thats just to cut down on hiss and maybe a little feedback.  I did what youre suggesting at a live recording and it kept fading in and out BUT THIS MAY be because the noise gate was trying to gate the delay effect which is the only effect in my loop and it made my overall volume fade the in and out.  Again though that could have been down to the delay.

If youre in a position to set the boss ns2 to max setting in the x pattern you may get great resuts but my set up is different to yours.

So to be clear.

First NS2 in x pattern set low straight with a guitar straight into it and linked in with fx loop.  Then continuing on from the first NS2 in the chain to the front of the amp the overdrive pedal and then Boss NS2 set to the max to cut down on guitar and amp feedback and the overdrive noise.  Id suggest for the 2nd noise gate threshold at least at 3 o block and decay between 6 and 10 o clock to taste.

Hope this is clear!

[Dave Sloven]

I'm wondering if in CommonCourtesy's set up - retaining the the ISP as the noise reduction for the preamp - if simply placing the NS2 in the loop after the ISP would do the trick.  There is no delay in his set up, but I guess it could just be placed between the NS2 and the send return if one was added.

[CommonCourtesy]

Try the NS2 - you have one, right? - in the x-pattern with your screamer in front of your amp and leave the rest how it currently is.  If JimmyMoorby's theory is right that should fix it.  Unless you have expanded your set up that's all you should need to include in the loop.

Yes I still have it, was going to sell it cos i thought it sucked tone. If its the X pattern, does that mean another 4 cables? I already have 3 running from my board!

And if its first in the chain straight from guitar i guess this is to cut out the noise from the pickup.

I have seen Matt Tuck's rig rundown and he uses 2 NS-2's either side of a tubescreamer.

[JimmyMoorby]

Try the NS2 - you have one, right? - in the x-pattern with your screamer in front of your amp and leave the rest how it currently is.  If JimmyMoorby's theory is right that should fix it.  Unless you have expanded your set up that's all you should need to include in the loop.

Yes I still have it, was going to sell it cos i thought it sucked tone. If its the X pattern, does that mean another 4 cables? I already have 3 running from my board!

And if its first in the chain straight from guitar i guess this is to cut out the noise from the pickup.

I have seen Matt Tuck's rig rundown and he uses 2 NS-2's either side of a tubescreamer.

Thats what I was saying.  You dont have to run either in the x pattern but it works better for me try it the way matt tuck does it first and hopefully thatll work but if not try the experimenting with the x pattern and different settings if you can get away with less cables then thats better

If 2 noise gates dont work with your setup then some thing is knackered so what im saying is it will work!

[CommonCourtesy]

Right i see, so in between pedals and not via the effects loop. For band practices i use a Marshall amp which is kept at the rehearsal place. I use a Wampler Triple Wreck distortion for that, and i get loads of noise from the pick up. So i tried using an NS-2 straight after the guitar and it seemed to fix it.

[JimmyMoorby]

Right i see, so in between pedals and not via the effects loop. For band practices i use a Marshall amp which is kept at the rehearsal place. I use a Wampler Triple Wreck distortion for that, and i get loads of noise from the pick up. So i tried using an NS-2 straight after the guitar and it seemed to fix it.

Do you use any thing in the loop?

[CommonCourtesy]

As in time based effects? No, i don't. No choruses or delays.

[JimmyMoorby]

As in time based effects? No, i don't. No choruses or delays.

As in any thing really every thing you put between your amp and guitar is taking away from your tone but if youve got nothing at all in your loop then hopefully you wont even need to use the x pattern but if you do its not the end of the world feedback in the way youre describing in very annoying and I hate it!

[CommonCourtesy]

So you mean right after the guitar?

I found that if i press down on the strings with my right hand and mute with my left it stops the feedback. Tricky when stop start riffing though.

[JimmyMoorby]

Ok first noise gate immediately after guitar.  Set the threshold between 3 or 6 o clock and alter the the decay knob to taste *

Then im assuming your overdrive is next.

Second noise gate set threshold to max and decay to minimum.

* You can also run the first noise gate in the x pattern and play about with the setting on this one a bit more but in need be max it out too.

[Dave Sloven]

To get the ISP working properly you will still need to plug its GUITAR IN and GUITAR OUT jacks in as far ahead in the chain (e.g. after the tuner) as you can.  Then plug in the DEC IN and DEC OUT (which is the actual gate) where JimmyMoorby says to put the 'second noise gate'

[CommonCourtesy]

Ok first noise gate immediately after guitar.  Set the threshold between 3 or 6 o clock and alter the the decay knob to taste *

Then im assuming your overdrive is next.

Second noise gate set threshold to max and decay to minimum.

* You can also run the first noise gate in the x pattern and play about with the setting on this one a bit more but in need be max it out too.

Yeah this would go after the wireless receiver and tuner. The tubescreamer is the only effect in the chain.

[CommonCourtesy]

To get the ISP working properly you will still need to plug its GUITAR IN and GUITAR OUT jacks in as far ahead in the chain (e.g. after the tuner) as you can.  Then plug in the DEC IN and DEC OUT (which is the actual gate) where JimmyMoorby says to put the 'second noise gate'

So 2 more patch leads and another slot on the board? I can't see where its going to fit!!