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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2013, 11:49:21 PM »
The VHII is a great rockpickup, noncompressed, touchsensitive, with a good balance with pronounced, but not shrill topend. I would call it a vintagehot HD. For your guitar and styles I'd pick the HD though.
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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2013, 08:29:49 AM »
This is actually quite a straightforward question in my mind and I'm with Tim 100%. You're describing a Holydiver. It's everything the JB is and a hell of a lot more besides. It loves an overdrive pedal if you think it needs more balls and can scream away as much as you want. I can see how other pickups can do what you're after but I can't see them doing it as well as the Holydiver. Tim knows his stuff.
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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2013, 01:39:28 AM »
Tim suggested the Holy Diver.  and I have no reason to think that it wouldn't work.  except now you guys are thinking it might not have those screaming highs on the pinched/tapped harmonics - thinking of Gillis and Vai style of squeals, for example.

This is actually quite a straightforward question in my mind and I'm with Tim 100%. You're describing a Holydiver. It's everything the JB is and a hell of a lot more besides. It loves an overdrive pedal if you think it needs more balls and can scream away as much as you want. I can see how other pickups can do what you're after but I can't see them doing it as well as the Holydiver. Tim knows his stuff.

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when using a proper booster, the diver had the easiest, loudest and most screaming harmonics I ever got from any pickup, maybe only comparable to the miracle man
not that it sounds weak without a pedal, but boosting really makes a huge difference with this pup
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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2013, 02:15:19 AM »
I really don't use any pedal, if that would make a difference. For my real rig, it's straight into the ADA MP-1. The eq and the digital reverb are in the fx loop, it has a built in analog chorus and then goes out to the BBE and then to the power amp. The virtual rig of the Line6 Ux-1 and Pod Farm can do whatever I want, but that's just what I use when I tinker around with recording for fun.

Some have said the RY is a little more aggressive and will have a little more scream to the harmonic squeals. While the VHII is also very much on my radar, I'm thinking that if if the brand is as awesome as its said to be that I might very well end up with all three models before Im done.

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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2013, 11:50:33 AM »
That may well be true as I've certainly tried my fair share of BKP despite never owning more than two guitars at a time! I also wouldn't want to suggest that Tim always gets it right because nobody's perfect but I think that if he does get it wrong, 99.9% of the time it's down to an inaccurate description of what you're after which sends him in the wrong direction. The point is that none of us know pickups better than Tim and none of us know Bare Knuckle pickups better than Tim and you have described a Holydiver 100%. All of that being the case, it strikes me as unwise to even consider trying a different pickup first. Let me use myself as an example and the pickups I've tried in the order I've tried them.

Cold Sweat set

I started this thinking that I wanted a Cold Sweat neck and a different bridge. I can't remember what was in my mind (possibly a Painkiller) but it certainly wasn't a Cold Sweat. I described what I wanted and Tim suggested a Cold Sweat set. I wasn't at all convinced so dithered for a couple of weeks before buying the Cold Sweat set and it was fantastic - just what I wanted.

A-Bomb bridge

I sent this one back but it was my fault. I said I wanted something tight and with an edge of aggression but with an element of versatility but as soon as I tried the A-Bomb I realised it was all of those things but that wasn't what I'd meant. By 'tight' I'd meant something with good note separation and very articulate but that's not the same thing at all. I went back to the drawing board, refined my description to something that more accurately portrayed what I wanted and he changed to a Holydiver. Again I was wary because I really thought the Holydiver would be too tame but realising that the problem with the Nailbomb was my fault and sure I'd described my tone better this time, I took the plunge and guess what.....it was perfect.

Trilogy Suites (neck and middle)

I wanted creamy single coil tones with a modern edge that could still do Blues. I actually really wanted him to say Slowhands but he said Trilogy Suites. By this time I'd learned my lesson so I went with the Trilogy Suites and he was right, they were superb.

Holydiver bridge

Mentioned above and I'm a HUGE fan of this pickup now.

Emerald neck

I contacted him about this one 100% sure that I wanted an Abraxas neck. I even phrased my description in such a way that I felt it would encourage him to say Abraxas so I was stunned when he said an Emerald. Experience had, by this time, shown me that Tim generally isn't wrong so I bought the Emerald and it is easily my favourite neck pickup. What's more, subsequent events I'll come onto suggest that I wouldn't have liked the Abraxas neck at all.

Miracle Man

This time I kinda thought I wanted an A-Pig but he came back to me that the Miracle Man would be a better choice. I was VERY unsure as after the Holydiver I was convinced that whatever I got would need to be alnico V and not ceramic. How could a ceramic give me the smooth, thick and organic tones I'd described? Reluctantly I decided to give it a go, convinced it would be going back for an A-Pig. When it arrived I was astonished to find that it was absolutely perfect. To be honest it was so completely spot on for what I wanted it was unbelievable.

Crawler bridge

Again, I went into this 150% convinced I wanted an Abraxas and again, I felt my description was perfect for an Abraxas but Tim went and suggested a Crawler! Not being a great Geoff Whitehorn fan but being a big Santanna fan, I was far from sure about this but there was no way I was doubting Tim ever again so I bought it and it is absolutely what I wanted. In fact, it's closer to what I wanted than I ever thought possible and the more I play it, the more I love it. There's a serious possibility that this could at least match the Holydiver as my favourite bridge pickup. I played a gig last night and I used this pickup in what is supposedly my 'second' guitar for more than half of the set. It's THAT good.

Crawler neck

Again, this one went back and again, it was largely my fault. I described a vintage tone and this is a very vintage pickup but it soon became apparent that while I may like a bit of a vintage vibe, I also like the extra cut you get from a more modern pickup.

Holydiver neck

One of the pickups in the range that I really thought I'd never own because it just never appealed to me from the description but I knew I wanted something different from the Emerald and this is what came up. It's in the guitar and even though overall I still prefer the Emerald, this is just what I was after for that particular guitar and once again, by taking his advice I am perfectly happy.

I don't think my experience is unique on this board. I think at some point, most of us have had doubts about what Tim suggests but equally, most of us have come to the conclusion that he's invariably right and if there's a difference of opinion, we're invariably wrong. If your description is accurate, you have described a Holydiver, Tim has suggested the Holydiver (not surprisingly given your description) so buy a Holydiver. If it's wrong, it will be down to your description.
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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2013, 11:59:47 AM »
I was recommended the A-Bomb for my SG by BKP ... BUT ... the fault was largely mine because I said I wanted it to do all of these different things, to cover everything from punk to grindcore.  The A-bomb falls in the middle there but really no pickup could cover all that ground and that was also said to me.  Had I specified a more limited sonic territory I'm sure that it would have worked out better.

Unrealistic/inaccurate expectations going in, disappointments coming out.  Generally if you have specified clearly what you want you will get an excellent suggestion from them.  The suggestion of an A-Pig for my Explorer was perfect for what I wanted, i.e., down-tuned and nasty old school death metal and grindcore.  No attempt to find something that would also work for Thin Lizzy or the Ramones the second time around!  It is however great for the S.O.B. (grindcore) version of Blitzkrieg Bop! :D  I'd get a Fender if I really wanted to get the Ramones sound
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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2013, 10:12:31 PM »
got with Tim again yesterday and I think we are clear on the HD.  my test bed for most pickups is a 90s ESP M-II with an alder body, maple neck and rosewood board.  the only other option it might go in would be a late 80s Kramer Pacer Custom that might be alder or it might be poplar, again with maple neck and rosewood board.  there's a dealer that has a 53mm model in stock and I was going to order it here this afternoon.

the RY and the VHII are both ones that I'll either have to order or will keep waiting until one pops up.  after chatting with Tim again, I have some guitars that are good options for them both.  the mahogany Hamer Centaure for the RY and the mahogany/maple Jackson PC-1 for the VHII.

depending on when the HD gets shipped from the dealer, I might should have a NPD in about a week.  thank you guys for your input, I'm really looking forward to BKPs being a good as it sounds like they will be.




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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2013, 12:06:10 AM »
Holy Diver arrived today.  installed, and have about 1/2-hour into it so far.

lemme preface with this.  I have many guitars and most have 2 or 3 pickups in each.  then I have probably over two dozen spare pickups.  out of the active ones, I think there are 4 SD Custom Shop models, and multiples of some of those models.  and then there are the ones I have tired and passed along.  so....

wow!  the HD is exactly as how it has been described and exactly what I was hoping it would sound like.

it came down to putting in an alder with rosewood board or a poplar with rosewood board.  both are bolt-on superstrats with Floyds.  since I get a smidge more highs out of poplar, I wanted to go with the alder first to see if it would indeed have the highs I was hoping for... and yes it does.

anyone that has the HD knows what it does, so I don't see a big need to be redundant about the tone here.  but I did want to follow up with the update and thank you cats that helped reinforce the suggestion that Tim made.  even though the HD was in transit, I already started looking around for a f-spaced RY for that Tim suggested mahogany Hamer Centaura... now I think I know it'll be a good pickup for sure to try next (btw, please contact me if anyone has a f-spaced RY they want to place in a new home!).

I'll be making some time tomorrow to put the HD into the Pod Farm to really put it through some fun tone testing.

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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2013, 12:23:26 AM »
Glad you like the Diver!
Did you tweak the height a bit? With scatterwound pickups it can make quite some difference. Beware when you get an RY, which is especially sensitive for height.
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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2013, 01:07:13 AM »
Glad you like the Diver!
Did you tweak the height a bit? With scatterwound pickups it can make quite some difference. Beware when you get an RY, which is especially sensitive for height.

right now, it's at the basic height I use when I first install a pickup.  have to say that I'd be hard pressed to imagine it sounding better.  having this be the first scatterwound pup that I know of having, what are some of the things to listen for when tweaking the height?  are there variables that come into play that aren't of consideration for some of the other non-scattered 'production' models out there?

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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2013, 02:29:06 AM »
Glad you like the Diver!
Did you tweak the height a bit? With scatterwound pickups it can make quite some difference. Beware when you get an RY, which is especially sensitive for height.

right now, it's at the basic height I use when I first install a pickup.  have to say that I'd be hard pressed to imagine it sounding better.  having this be the first scatterwound pup that I know of having, what are some of the things to listen for when tweaking the height?  are there variables that come into play that aren't of consideration for some of the other non-scattered 'production' models out there?
Glad you like it! If you would happen to feel inspired to do a full review some time...

Anyhow on the height thing. What I usually say when someone gets a fresh RY and loves it: Yeah you love it now, but chances are good that with some tweaking it can get even better.

Just take exact note of where it is at the moment so you can revert any changes if you happen to not like em.
I could now go about describing in detail what the height changes bring, but I will just keep it general:
Closer: hotter, fatter, more compressed, thicker, etc
away: clearer, woodier, brighter, more defined, etc

Best thing you can do (again after exactly writing down where you are) is go very low and then go up in 1/2 or 1 screw turns at a time, spend at least 5 min on each. Do that until you get wolve tones (unwanted overtones) or other nasty stuff.
This exercise really shows you the differences better than any description.

When that is done I personally recommend tweaking the pole piece height too as that is something I swear by (not everyone does, but I love it). What it does is bring more clarity and definition to the sound, a certain brightness too. Really cool to give the low strings that little extra.
What you do is raise the pole pieces up to 1mm (or less), mostly on the bass side usually. In turn you ususally lower the Pu a little on that side, as much as you raised the pieces or less. Again try it and listen.
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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2013, 05:51:59 AM »
whenever I see someone mention adjusting the pole pieces, it reminds me of the first pickup I bought to upgrade a guitar.  it was a Kramer Focus 2000 I bought in 1985.  I dumped that OEM bridge pickup for a JB.  having noticed that some single coils have staggered poles, I noticed the one coil of the JB had screws so I went to adjusting them.  granted, it was an experiment out of a bit of guessing and a bit of blind ignorance.  at one point, the music shop got a new banana neck in stock from Kramer, so I got that and they installed it...at which point the guy at the shop saw I had adjusted the pole pieces and made a big fuss out how that was not a good thing.  so now, almost 30 years later, it reminds me of what that guy actually knew, or rather, didn't know

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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2013, 03:53:14 PM »
call me deranged, but the same dealer got a VHII w/ 53mm spacing in yesterday and I couldn't help myself.  lol!  I was hoping to go with the RY next, but a 53mm would need to be ordered...so seeing a wide spacing that I wanted in stock was more than my will could bear.  ain't that a peach?

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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2013, 08:12:14 PM »
About the height Kiichi gave you already excellent advice.
The VHII is a gem too in the right guitar. This BKP feels way hotter then the dc-resistance might tell you.
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Re: Noob Question - please be gentle!
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2013, 05:14:53 AM »
About the height Kiichi gave you already excellent advice.
The VHII is a gem too in the right guitar. This BKP feels way hotter then the dc-resistance might tell you.

what has been your experience with the 'right guitar' for the VHII?  I'm pondering a few options while it's en route, and am always interested in suggestions.