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Vintage V100 Review
« on: September 27, 2013, 09:39:43 PM »
Just for a change, I’m writing a review of a guitar instead of a pickup but I’m still recovering from a recent operation so I’m bored. I’ve not been able to play it for protracted periods as it’s difficult for me to either sit or stand for long but over the last couple of days I think I’ve played it enough to get a fair idea of what it’s like. I’m afraid I never did try the guitar with the stock pickups as I immediately changed them to a spare set of PRS pickups I had lying around so this review is done using a PRS HFS/VB combo. I would also point out that I bought this guitar used.

General

I thought I’d better start by pointing out the general condition of the guitar as it’s used. Overall, I’d say it was in very good condition. There are some marks on the back, presumably made by someone’s belt, but they’re not too severe and can really only be spotted if the light is right and they’re more indentations than scratches as the paintwork isn’t broken. On the rest of the guitar, the bodywork is excellent. It did take quite a bit of setting up and this was certainly partly because it arrived with a set of 8-30 and I use 9-46. Nevertheless, the truss rod needed to be adjusted, the intonation was out, the action was too low and the fingerboard was filthy. I sorted all of that out before starting to assess it for this review.

Body

Leaving aside all of the work I had to do to set it up properly, which I assume was down to an inexperienced previous owner, I’d say that the build quality is excellent. It has a mahogany body and mahogany set neck with a flame maple veneer in a honeyburst finish and I must say that when you pick it up, it feels like a very solid instrument. The body is thick and acoustically it has a rich and mellow tone that is slightly dark but not excessively so. My PRS guitars are a touch brighter. There are no blemishes on the paintwork and the neck join looks to be very good indeed. The hardware clearly isn’t top drawer but it looks a long way from bargain basement and is perfectly serviceable for either home or live use. The binding on the body and neck give it a real quality feel and at no point did I feel like I was playing a cheap guitar. My PRS guitars certainly look and feel superior but the difference is a lot closer than you’d expect given that the PRS costs three times as much.

Neck

I adapted to the neck very quickly. It’s much closer to a slim Gibson neck than the old baseball bat. It feels a little thicker than the Wide Thin necks on my PRS’s but the difference isn’t that great. A touch more narrow and a touch thicker but nothing that held me back for a second. Again, the finish on the back of the neck was excellent and felt nice in my hand. Once I’d given the fretboard a good clean I was surprised to find that the rosewood looks much better than that used on either of my PRS guitars. It has a lovely dark colour and feels good under your fingers. The frets felt very big compared to those on my PRS’s but that’s just one of those things and again, I adapted quickly. Much like PRS, Vintage seem to make their nuts only for use with very thin strings so I had to do a bit of filing to get my 9-46 set to fit properly. The tuning pegs do feel cheap compared to the ones used on a PRS SE and I’d say this was the only part of the guitar that had me obviously thinking ‘budget’ but having said that, the guitar holds tune very well. In time I may well upgrade but it’s not an urgent matter.

Playing

I’ll keep this bit short and sweet as I wasn’t using stock pickups but I will say that it gives a very full and rich tone, just as I would expect from a Les Paul. Other than a proper Gibson, no Les Paul I’ve ever played has sounded any better and some, like the Epiphone, didn’t sound as good as this and I’m basing this on its acoustic sound as well as its electrified sound so it’s not just down to the PRS pickups. The sustain is absolutely endless and to me, that suggests a well made guitar.


Conclusions

I’ve tried plenty other Les Paul copies from ESP, Ibanez, Cort, Tokai etc. and none of them were noticeably better quality than this Vintage, despite costing considerably more money new. Around the web you’ll find the odd insane person claiming this is as good as a Gibson but let them keep smoking whatever it is they’re smoking and see the Vintage V100 for what it is. OK, it’s not as good as a Gibson but then this only costs £200 new and you can pick up a good used one, like mine, for just over half that. Where it does score is in comparison to other, cheaper Les Pauls. From Epiphone I tried an Ultra and a Prophecy, both retailing at £500 and they were absolutely no better than this V100. In terms of sound, this was much closer to the richness I experienced with a Gibson Studio than the Epiphone achieved and the same could be said of the Ibanez ART and ESP LTD Eclipse I tried. If you want to suggest a really good quality starter guitar to someone, this would be a very good choice and if, like me, you’re after a cheap Les Paul to play around with, this will also do the trick very well and save you quite a bit of money. I will certainly be using this guitar live, along with both of my PRS guitars and in due course I will certainly put some Bare Knuckle pickups in it because I feel it’s good enough to warrant the investment.
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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2013, 10:45:51 PM »
I've been looking at cheaper Les Paul copies at the present time purely as a jam guitar that can take a bit of bashing. I will definitely take a look at these. I wonder if they do a Gold Top with P90s. Going to have a gander on eBay now :)

Purely out of curiousity, what pickups are you fancying putting in?

EDIT: £208 for V100 P90 Gold Top, bargain! Definitely will have a play of one and hope for the best :) Great review though!
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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2013, 11:04:32 PM »
Certainly an Abraxas in the bridge and I was thinking about maybe a Mississippi Queen for the neck, though Riff Raff and VHII are also possibilities.
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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2013, 11:10:25 PM »
The Mississippi Queen neck seems to crop up often on here. You'll definitely have to do a review if so. And please get an Abraxas as you write the best reviews and would love to hear one on your thoughts. I almost got one instead of my current VHII, but Tim decided against it due to using 280k pots. So I'm still really curious about it.

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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2013, 12:51:43 AM »
Again a nice review! You might consider a Mules-set in this guitar.
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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2013, 04:43:11 AM »
You make it sound like I can´t afford not to buy one myself...thankfull it seems like Vintage guitars are not to be found here in Sweden, so that is a relief xD

Thought I wonder how much shipping from UK would cost on that...after all I still have a MQ neck lying around which I tried in two guitars which made me realise that it is bloody great, but needs a LP and not a Ibanez S series or such for my taste.

Oh and yes, of course great review as always. Please continue to review everything you get your hands on =)
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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2013, 09:42:05 AM »
The thing that puts me off Mules is my experience with the Crawler neck. Like Mules, it uses 42AWG on an alnico IV magnet and while the tone was great, it just didn't have the cut I was after. The Emerald, with its more modern 43AWG wire is far more to my taste so I assume I just don't get on with that magnet/wire combo and that's why the Abraxas looks to be a better fit for me. The Vintage has a wonderful Rock sound but as I have Rock sounds pretty much covered with the Crawler and Holydiver pickups in my other guitars, I thought I'd make this one more Bluesy but still capable of being a backup guitar for some of the Rock songs. It's this remit that has caused me to look at a Mississippi Queen for the neck as everything vintagey in the humbucker range uses 42AWG wire. Obviously the MQ does too, and an AIV magnet but I'm told that in a P90 it has more cut. The only reason I started thinking about humbuckers again was because the guitar looks so damn good with the zebra pickups I installed. Both of my PRS guitars also use zebras and it's a look I really like and I prefer the extra cut an open poled pickup provides. I only came up with the Riff Raff and VHII because I thought the AV magnet might help to give it a bit more cut but I don't know that for sure and I have no idea how good they'd be for what I'm after.
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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2013, 10:03:41 AM »
I think the Mules cut very well, in the right guitar. But with the Abraxas there's is still some Mule-pedigree left.  :)
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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2013, 10:18:18 AM »
Hence I'm 100 :D% sure the bridg :De will be an Abraxas

What I may do for the neck as I prefer the zebra look, is try fitting either the Riff Raff or VHII first (whichever seems to be best) and switch to the MQ if I'm not 100% happy with it. That will then determine the finish I get on the Abraxas. I suppose what I'm really after is a humbucker MQ
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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2013, 09:48:53 AM »
Glad you are liking it!

I'm having very similar thoughts on mine. I think it's pretty agreed that the PRS SE series is great value for the money, but the question is if the V100s are of an even better value for the buck.

I did change the nut on mine, locking Grovers (406C slots right in), pots and pickups. Good luck with the Abraxas, it's going to be interesting hearing what you'll think of those.

Now go and play the shite out of it!  8)
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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2013, 01:48:10 PM »
sounds like you got yourself a good deal! how about a little picture for us?
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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2013, 02:15:23 PM »
What a great review (just like your pickup reviews). I've had my eyes on/off Vintage guitars for a few years, but this review really makes me want to get a V100. I tried two of their strats two years ago or something like that. It was the Thomas Blugg signature and a regular V6 and of those two I liked the V6 better. I played good and sounded good too. As far as I remember the Blugg one was a bit of a disappointment as I would have thought it to play and sound better than the regular V6. Could be that I tried a dull Blugg model or a really good V6 model.
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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2013, 04:17:29 PM »
Very interesting and thanks for that. The only way way a gibson is worth over a grand more is if you consider it an ivestment.

I wonder how it stacks up against the prs se bernie marsden as ive heard people comment that once youve upgraded the pickups youre left with some thing on par with a true les paul.  Fact is I need to try both.

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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2013, 05:31:55 PM »
A vintage Les Paul was my go-to guitar of choice for teaching on many moons ago. Great quality and sounds at a great price. MUCH better than Epiphone equivalents of the time. Sounds like you got yourself a nice little score there.

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Re: Vintage V100 Review
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2013, 06:12:29 PM »
That's a nice review for sure !

I have not touched mine for a long time, because its pickups suck (a used SH-5 which I certainly don't like). If I go for Juggernauts in my Music Man, I'll put my Holydiver/VH-II in there.
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