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Rory Gallagher Remasters 2012/2013
« on: September 28, 2013, 03:34:46 PM »
(You probably need to be a Rory fan to wade through all this :lol: - apologies to everyone else)

I only found out about these the other day.

I've ranted on here before about the original "remasters" - many albums remixed, some, for me, disastrously. Original artwork binned and cr@p put on them instead. Basically, you couldn't get the stuff that Rory produced himself anymore.

Well, it seems someone might have listened to old farts like me complaining about stuff like this. Over the course of the last year or so, the entire catalogue has been gone over. Remastered from the original 1/4" stereo mixes, original artwork restored, cheap price, initial runs in digipacks, blah, blah...

I took a punt last week and ordered:

Against the Grain (1999 version lost vocals and other stuff in the remixing)
Calling Card
Photo Finish (1999 version was actually advertised as a remix "like wot Rory would have wanted")
Top Priority
Stagestruck
Jinx (1999 version completely cr@pped on this - remix included "hidden" instruments playing out of time, and the album was resequenced in what they thought was a better running order)


Well, the new ones arrived today...

And I am in heaven!! :lol:

We've got the old artwork back. And someone with taste has managed, inside the packages, to include some of the 1999 photographs as well.

You would not believe how much happier I feel holding a Top Priority, Stagestruck, Jinx, and Against The Grain that actually look like Top Priority, Stagestruck, Jinx, and Against The Grain...

And that's before listening to anything.

I've listened to some now. And oh... words are not enough! (But he'll try anyway... :lol:)

I'm saving Jinx for later (and I have the hammer ready for the old one), but I've done three so far -

Top Priority
This was Rory's favourite album, apparently. It was definitely my favourite Rory studio album back in the 80s - I played it to death.
The 1999 reissue lost the beautiful album cover (b&w pic on a white cover with black and red writing). And that was my main argument with it. I couldn't really tell what had happened to the music in this case. It certainly wasn't as different as Photo Finish's remix had been.
BUT - I've not really been able to listen to or enjoy the album like I always used to....

So, this new one - I was in tears, literally, listening to it. This is the album I played over and over and over again, and still could.

I ended up doing a little comparison of the two CDs. 1999's is a little louder. But the big difference is how they tried to make everything "bigger" (more modern?) in the mix. Bigger drums, more bass, bigger guitars...

And in the process they lost the thing Rory had created. A maybe slightly flatter, but much more punchy and rocking beast, one that really makes you smile.

I have Top Priority back again, one that I want to listen to.

Stagestruck
I first saw him on the huge non-stop world-wide tour that followed Top Priority (I didn't get that album until after this one, though). This live album was recorded on that tour. The last shows taped for it were recorded two months before I saw him. And this album came out a month or two after I saw him...

So this is Andrew's "Rory Gallagher fanboy" album.

It was very "basic" sound-wise, but the band on it is SO tight, and it is what the band sounded like live in 1980.

SO, what did they do in 1999? They lost ALL the gorgeous artwork and put a bunch of photos from the wrong periods on it (this is a bit fanboy from me, but hey, this album was Andrew's MOST PRIZED POSSESSION in it's original form). They also tried to remedy the lack of bottom-end in the mastering process - something it does kind of need, but it changed it a bit.

And they added two bonus tracks... but they put them in the MIDDLE!!

Two things wrong with this - first, they sound so completely different than the rest of the album. They actually sound like a later Rory (except they can't be, because Ted McKenna is still drumming on them) - out of breath, not able to hold the notes. And the band doesn't sound like it's "locked in together" so much as the original material. Second, aggravated by the first, they are slower numbers and don't seem to fit between Moonchild and Follow Me. Well, that's because he didn't play them then!! He used them as breathers after the first two songs in the set - hit em hard, then slow it up slightly. In fact, you can even hear him introducing the band, they've left that in!

OK, what's 2013's version like?

Artwork - oh bliss, the cover I used clutch to my bosom is back. In fact all the pictures from the original are back, plus some new ones sourced from fans on the internet.

Mixing/Mastering - the 1999 version wasn't remixed, neither is this, but unless my memory deceives me it's mastering is much more faithful to the original. They're not trying to fix the bottom-end anymore. You can hear everything in this punchy wall of fiery three-piece rocking. Years ago I lent the 1999 version to some young guy at work, he said "oh he's a bit like Randy Rhoads, but not as good..." Not anymore! He's back to being like Rory Gallagher removing the top end of your hearing for a week again!

Bonus tracks - sadly, they're still in the middle. And sadly they're still "weak" and out of tune in places. But they are vastly improved by the addition of another bonus - Hellcat - in front of them. I've seen people on the web, who I thought were bigger anoraks than me, going "where's this one come from?". Well, I've got the free single that came with the original album - it's on there. It sounds like it's from the same gigs as the rest of the album. It fits real nice, and it seems to lessen the shock of going into the messy versions of Bad Penny and Keychain. But still, when the original "side two opener" of Follow Me kicks off, you're left wondering whether Rory really would have allowed those versions of Bad Penny and Keychain out with this album. Why didn't they put them at the end??

The extra tracks aside, this album is back in the shape I grew up with. Makes me pick up my strat and start miming in the living room like I did in those bedsits 33 years ago.

Photo Finish
This is the album before Top Priority. This is the one where he ditched the first version (and the band he'd used for 5 albums in the mid 70s) to make a harder, grittier, album. One that sat with the punk thing that was coming out and that he admired for living up to the spirit of rock and roll...

It's also the album that Ted McKenna (ex Sensational Alex Harvey Band) started his stint as Rory's drummer. He had very little notice and learning time, and during set-up at the studio, no-one knew what the band sounded like live. And they didn't put much effort into a drum sound. They found that on Top Priority. But on these sessions, he sounds like he's got a kit made of cardboard boxes and tupperware.

When Rory was alive, and the catalogue was moving to CD, he held this one back because he wanted to fix it. When he died, there were copious notes he'd made on how to remix it. So with the 1999 stuff, and this was one of the early ones that got done, they remixed it according to his notes.

It's one of the first 1999 lot that I bought. And I appreciated most of what they'd done. They'd messed up a few things - some of the guitar parts sounded unbelievably different. But over all, it seemed like "better".

Years on now, with the 2013 version ringing in my ears, I am SO glad I've got the original mix back. OK, it does sound a bit boxier in places... but what it also sounds is "professional". It sounds like it was mixed by someone with artistic taste and attention to detail, who understood the material and the artiste's vision. The songs come through a lot better.

I applaud what they were trying to do in 1999, but they failed. Rory, who made the original mixes, would have said "that's not it, let's try again". At least, I imagine he would...



SO, Rory's stuff has been fixed. You can get what he originally released again.

BUT! The market place (Play, Amazon, ebay, etc) is VERY confused now. I've just ordered the remaining albums with fingers-crossed. I suspect that some won't be digipacks. And two of them, from last year's batch, I've had to order "used". I've managed to find everything for approx £5 each - which is what was intended. You can also find some of last year's batch for eighty-odd quid!!! (And when you dig, you discover some of these expensive ones are the hated 1999 stuff...) *sigh*

OK, back to the sofa (and, for me, the 80s), with a nice coffee, some roll-ups, and the rest of the albums I have at the moment  :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: Rory Gallagher Remasters 2012/2013
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2013, 01:47:12 PM »
i might pick up a couple of those. thanks for the review!
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Re: Rory Gallagher Remasters 2012/2013
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2013, 02:09:41 PM »
Epic review!  :D

BUT! The market place (Play, Amazon, ebay, etc) is VERY confused now. I've just ordered the remaining albums with fingers-crossed. I suspect that some won't be digipacks. And two of them, from last year's batch, I've had to order "used". I've managed to find everything for approx £5 each - which is what was intended. You can also find some of last year's batch for eighty-odd quid!!! (And when you dig, you discover some of these expensive ones are the hated 1999 stuff...) *sigh*

Aaargh!  Reading that almost triggered me into "Philly Q Obsessive-Compulsive Collector Mode", which could have cost me a lot of money.  But I managed to rein it in.

I would be interested to hear the new remasters, but I must admit (apart from Against the Grain and Irish Tour) I'm not really familiar with the originals anyway, so I haven't realised the full horror of the 1999 versions.
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Re: Rory Gallagher Remasters 2012/2013
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2013, 08:59:23 PM »
Yeah, it was a bit "epic" (so's this by the way) - when I'd finished typing on Saturday I nearly didn't post it...

It was the depth of feeling about it all that caused the huge out-pouring.

Philly, Against the Grain, I'd recommend giving this one a go. You've got the 1999 version haven't you?

This new one is the original mix quite definitely. I was comparing them yesterday on the studio speakers after ripping to mp3.

First off - it's got the right vocal tracks on, the ones that Rory put into the original mix, rather than alternate vocal tracks that miss verses out!!!

It's also got the original fades, etc.

Mix wise (and possibly mastering, I suppose), it is much more "cohesive". Less "lots of instruments all over the place". The band sounds a lot tighter. It seems less powerful at first, but that's volume - turn it up to the same volume and it's got just as much oink to it.

BUT - and this might put some people off - the original mix has a much "flatter" stereo sound. The 1999 mix is a "wide" modern sounding mix - the over all "listening" vibe is more expansive. But the old one has the rock and roll concentrated in a tight band either side of middle and choice instruments chucked left and right to give you the stereo experience.

Personally, after the "ooh, the newer mix sounds loads bigger", I much prefer the original. It might just be familiarity for me, but it rocks, it tells you what you need. It gives me much more of an impression of being sat in front of the band playing it.

I find it so much more enjoyable to listen to - this might even be why I've probably only listened to the album only two or three times (new mix) in the last 13-4 years! (And four times, original mix, since Saturday :lol:)

I might be wrong, but I suspect there's quite a bit more "artistry" and use of "ears" went into the original mix back in 1975. There's certainly a lot more attention to detail.

I haven't got the new Irish Tour 74 yet, another day or two I think, but I'm mainly getting that for the correct album cover!! If it ends up sounding more like my memory of the original (and this will be all mastering, I don't think they remixed it in 1999), then I will be very happy... (but the 1999 version wasn't too far off anyway)

gwEm, I reckon you should be looking at Top Priority and Photo Finish (based on what you've said before), possibly Jinx as well (it sounds loads rockier than the 1999 version!). I've been listening closely to Photo Finish since Saturday, I even got Mrs R involved in the discussions, she can hear it too. Same as Against the Grain, so much artistry went into the original mix. He might have been disappointed in it after he'd brought out Top Priority and Jinx, but the 1999 remix is NOT what he would have done. There's things sticking out in all directions that really shouldn't be sticking out like that!

The 1999 mix of Photo Finish is definitely punchier and more "rock band" like on first impression... but you can achieve the same thing by turning the original 1978 mix up :lol:. And the balance of the extra guitars, electric and acoustic, is fabulous - it's a work of art. He made an album that gives the impression of a three-piece playing live, with the extra parts enhancing it. You have to listen hard before you realise he's added more parts to the live three-piece recording that they started from. The remix makes the same multi-tracks sound like a "studio album" from a larger bunch of musicians, not all of them listening to, or playing, the same songs.


Both approaches are entirely valid, the 1999 mixes aren't terrible (apart from obvious f*ck-ups like losing the lead vocal!), but I prefer the originals for listening to.

It's been a real eye-opener for me on the subject of mixing... I've realised that I mix my stuff like the 1999 remixes of RG's stuff. I'm continually scared of creating a "flat" mix that doesn't create a wide stereo vibe... So I chuck things left and right, not without thought, but, well... you end up losing the rock and roll if you're not careful. I even end up writing parts to balance the stereo. I've been really struggling with the thing I'm working on at the moment, and what I've realised this weekend is that I'm chasing the "stereo" too much for this particular song.

Another thing I've learnt recently is "check your mixes in mono" - even in today's "everyone's listening in stereo" world. The idea is that problems you can't spot in stereo show up like sore thumbs when you throw the play back into mono (phasing issues, an instrument too prominent over all, etc). And boy does it work! Fix the mix while the master is playing back in mono (leave the multi-tracks panned as you intend), and then when you switch back to stereo, the mix is quite startlingly better...

I've just tried that on the RG mixes, both original and 1999... oh dear! :lol: (Mr G knew what he was doing, someone else didn't quite so well).

And after that I ended up listening to Jinx on the big speakers while proofing this. I was thinking - oh dear, the new master of the old mix isn't as good as I thought... listen to that excessive top end, and flip, what was Rory doing? Listen to that horrendous shaker jumping out the right hand side on Double Vision. I've been singing his praises in this post, and listen to that mess...

... and then I realised I was listening to the 1999 remix!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: (went back to the newly acquired old mix... and, sorry Rory! It's fab...)
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Re: Rory Gallagher Remasters 2012/2013
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2013, 07:17:21 PM »
Oh yeah... get Irish Tour '74 :lol:

It arrived today, 'twas on the mat when I got home.

I really only got it for the cover... but bugger me it sounds like the old album used to (and the last track has been restored to it's rightful place - they left it off and put it as a "bonus" on Tattoo).

It's got a fair old bit of top end - not sure whether my vinyl version ever had that, certainly doesn't anymore!! So I'm appreciating the cymbal work a lot more than I remember - same applies to Top Priority and Photo Finish, actually (but this might be that I'm working on drum parts myself and so I'm tuned into it and listening to drummers more at the moment).

But in comparison to the 1999 remaster the new one has a smooth aggression that I remember. It's warm sounding and all the excitement comes from what the four of them were playing.

Listening to the 1999 one, it's a bit harsh in the, I dunno, upper mids - right where the bluddy guitar parts are!! The volume swells he uses in A Million Miles Away, for example, they get "gritty" on the 1999 version... never noticed before... on this, they're back to their former glory.

Again, the new CD is quieter, but turn it up and "oooh..." it's 1980 all over again for me :)
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Re: Rory Gallagher Remasters 2012/2013
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 09:40:39 PM »
Top Priority, Photo Finish and Stage Struck are (predictably perhaps) my favourite Rory albums. I like the idea of a more basic, stripped down and rock'n'roll mix. They sound like good Christmas presents to put on my list.

I do think Rory's music has special powers though. I'm trying not to listen to it too much, so it doesn't become everyday to me(!) Having said that, I'm going to stick some on now! :)
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Re: Rory Gallagher Remasters 2012/2013
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 10:45:59 PM »
Thanks for the heads up, I've always loved Irish Tour '74 and a lot of the live stuff you can find on YouTube. I've just ordered Top Priority, Photo Finish and Stage Struck and am very excited.

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Re: Rory Gallagher Remasters 2012/2013
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2013, 02:45:00 PM »
Oh, what the hell, I'm in.  :lol:
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Re: Rory Gallagher Remasters 2012/2013
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2013, 07:24:09 PM »
:lol:

The first album, "Rory Gallagher", arrived today. Oh my, it sounds good.

Unfortunately there's a hole in the internal silvering of the CD, and track 10 skips/stutters for 10 seconds... so it's going back for a replacement.

I do wonder how common this is, out of the hundreds of CDs that I or the missus have bought, this is only the second time it's happened to me...

Remember the old days with vinyl? You took it back with "It jumps on track side 2, track 3" ... some places had no problem with this... other places were already regarding you (and your long greasy hair) with suspicion as you wandered up to their counter carrying one of their bags... they'd express doubts about the efficacy of your turn-table and stylus arrangements... they'd grudgingly get the thing out of the sleeve and cast their "expert" eye over the grooves... "looks fine to me..." .... eventually, as you obviously weren't about to retreat, they would put it on their deck and find that, yes, indeed, it jumped like you said. They would replace the thing, leaving you in no doubt that they suspected that your equipment had created the problem in the first place...

That is one of the things I do NOT miss about vinyl!! :lol:
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Re: Rory Gallagher Remasters 2012/2013
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2013, 11:27:45 PM »
Remember the old days with vinyl? You took it back with "It jumps on track side 2, track 3" ... some places had no problem with this... other places were already regarding you (and your long greasy hair) with suspicion as you wandered up to their counter carrying one of their bags... they'd express doubts about the efficacy of your turn-table and stylus arrangements... they'd grudgingly get the thing out of the sleeve and cast their "expert" eye over the grooves... "looks fine to me..." .... eventually, as you obviously weren't about to retreat, they would put it on their deck and find that, yes, indeed, it jumped like you said. They would replace the thing, leaving you in no doubt that they suspected that your equipment had created the problem in the first place...

That is one of the things I do NOT miss about vinyl!! :lol:

Oh god yes!  I remember the initial release of Rainbow's Down to Earth, on clear vinyl.  It was a nightmare.  I had to give up trying to replace it eventually, and settle for a plain black vinyl copy.

With the doom/stoner stuff I've been listening to recently, on labels like Rise Above, Relapse and Nuclear Blast, you can get everything on vinyl again, which seems really weird to me.  And it's loads more expensive than the CDs!

I still have about 1,000 LPs, but my turntable broke years ago and I've never replaced it.

The main thing I miss isn't the vinyl, but the gatefold sleeves and intricate artwork.

I have had a few defective CDs over the years, but only a handful out of thousands.  Remember when they first came out and people said they might stop working after about 8 years?  I still have CDs I bought in 1987 which are fine.  There may be some I haven't played for years which have given up the ghost, but I've yet to find one. 
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