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m t soule

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"strat" pups for a non strat
« on: December 24, 2013, 04:46:45 PM »
I am really finding a place for my Maple neck, baswood body, rg550 and its playing Nile Rogers and gilmore stuff. now at the moment my amo does not compliment the woods really but when played on its own you can really hear the brittle attacky glassy tones those wood produce. Naturally Nile and Dave play Legendary strats but the looks and feel are not for me BUT the sound is :)

The strat choices on the BKP site seem bases on recommending specifically for strats and the woods they are most commonly made from.

Is a strat sound limited to single coils and strats? (sounds dumb i know)

My guitar is HSH set up but SSS, HSS scratchplates are availible so the options are open!

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Re: "strat" pups for a non strat
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2013, 11:47:51 PM »
I have HH, HSH guitars and classic strat 3 SC styles too.

If you have switching for parallel and/or single coil on the humbuckers (push push on tone/volume) you can find you can fake a few of the classic strat sounds, or at least have a sound that is perfectly passable in a band context.

Just today i did some exta rewiring of an old HH RGT and the new stratty sounds, esp. betwen pickups really made me smile.  Very funky and clean with none of usual thickness of humbuckers. 

With an HSH you got lots of options, but I'd avoid overly hot pickups to keep it sweeter as single coil split hot humbuckers can be harsh.

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Re: "strat" pups for a non strat
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2013, 08:49:25 AM »
One of the strat sets or a HSH VHII + Irish Tour set (with splits on the VHIIs) would do the trick for the most part.

 How many non-strat tones do you need to keep?
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Re: "strat" pups for a non strat
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2013, 03:46:46 PM »
A good, versatile HSS-set is a Crawler or Abraxas with Irish Tours or Mother's Milk. Imho you need a bridgehumbucker with a bit more output to get balanced splitted tones. I have a VHII/MM-combo in one of my strat. The splitted tones are not totally on par with the Crawler/Irish Tour-set in my other strat.
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Re: "strat" pups for a non strat
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2014, 10:03:02 PM »
I recorded the guitar in question without the amp etc so you guys can get an idea of the ins and outs of the sound (apologies for the mobile phone recording)

today I very nearly bought the new Vaporizer amp and a 50's vibe strat. holy shiz that thing delivered!
but can i do it with what i have?

I have Crawler in the neck of my newer rosewood board rg and i love it! however the one thing i don't like is the darkeness when i hit a low e chord, it is too dark for me. Wierdly compared to my older rg's with rosewood this one is a lot brighter and the one in the vid brighter still so i may do a swap to see. now i do feel i get better Les Paul sounds out of my crawler as it is and apart from the dark bit i love it where it is and i am tempted to get the bridge counter part and keep it in Eb

Any way here is mu non BKP guitar that i would like classic full clean woody straty gilmorey nilerogersy
I do understand that the wood and floyd rose will hold this back from a vintage strat, but, hey ho worth a try :)

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Re: "strat" pups for a non strat
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2014, 10:51:56 PM »
I have an Ibanez with that sort of configuration (basswood body/maple neck), and I have Nailbombs with an Irish Tour in the middle.  I really like the sounds I can get from it, the Nailbombs give me more attack than a lot of the pickups I normally use.  I have it set so I can bring the Irish Tour in any time I want (or use it alone), with a 3 way mini toggle.
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Re: "strat" pups for a non strat
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2014, 11:16:57 PM »
There is a guy on the trading forum selling a VHII bridge, Irish Tours SC combo fairly cheap, never been installed.
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Re: "strat" pups for a non strat
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2014, 11:32:14 PM »
Do VHII's have the same tone as the Crawler but with less darkeness at the bottom? (i remember this from another thread i think) or would the crawler in the brighter maple neck compensate the Crawlers dark?

I have the Irish tour (m) and Nailbomb (br) set up I like it but its not what i am after for the maple neck.
I would like to go;
RG550RXX - Irish Tour Mid, Nailbomb set (rosewood)
RG550ca - Mothers milk mid, Crawler set . (maple) maybe VHII set if the dark thing is better but overall tone the same
RG550ltdnpm - Evos or Holydivers set, trilogy suite Mid

However I am very open as i said earlier to going all singles on the ca IF it can compare to a Strat

you may have noticed i am not too fussed about a versatile guitar. I like its job focused and the pups to reflect that :)

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