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Philly Q

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Re: NGD! (soon)
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2014, 12:52:29 PM »
Interesting tip, I've never heard that before!
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Re: NGD! (soon)
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2014, 03:29:40 PM »
In case anyone can't get their head around what top-wrapping entails this is a photo of the tailpiece on my SG.

Please note that this was with the Rotosounds so I didn't use the old brass string end beads as spacers here and thus the string end nest in very tight.  With the spacers in the ends of the strings are more noticeable.



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Re: NGD! (soon)
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2014, 03:44:29 PM »

i still don't get your tip.
I top wrap my strings occasionally but I've never heard of using the old ends as spacers. What is the benefit of that? I've never had a problem just doing it 'normally'

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Re: NGD! (soon)
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2014, 02:41:48 AM »
With Ernie Ball strings I find that the winding at the ball end extends up the string a fair distance, so that if you top wrap a standard Gibson TOM tailpiece the strings stick out straight and then bend back, rather than wrap around.

I guess if you ever come across this problem try this trick.  It works for me.  As I said it wasn't an issue with the Rotosounds, where that winding is not as long.

Also, I'm not the first person to do it ...

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/gibson-les-pauls/285277-still-trying-master-top-wrapping.html
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Re: NGD! (soon)
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2014, 03:38:02 PM »
Quick question. is there an advantage to wrapping the string around the tail piece like shown in the picture? I never have done that but I see it often

No, you only do this if the angle from the tailpiece is so steep that the strings would lay on the corner of the bridge (i.e. very steep angle). Other have mentioned the string-breakage that probably is related to the steep angle. On some set-neck guitars the neck angle is glued in so badly that you will run into problems otherwise. I've seen an SG once where you had to either leave the tailpiece superhigh or the strings would lie on the edge of bridge, and a luthier once claimed to me that Gibsons' neck angles can vary quite a bit (because work staff have to get through many guitars quickly on a day) and then they are far from the "perfect angle" you'd have if you went to a smaller company. I have no way of knowing if that is true or not, but I once saw a factory tour video from Gibson where the guy fitted the neck tendon in the body in quite a "rough and rustic way" with a hand wood chisel, without any measurement.

It may simply not be a big deal, given that both bridge and tailpiece are adjustable on Gibsons and thus able to deal with the variance.

Putting the strings the other way around the tailpiece helps with that. I have no doubt this is where this practice comes from and THEN somebody started "bullshiteeting" people that it sounds better (just like EVH made up all the Variac bullshitee, or people started saying the original Rectifiers sounded better when they never did). There are no tonal changes whether the string goes over the top or not, and it doesn't change the feel either. I've tried both versions and with different guitars.

The only thing that might be debatable is whether screwing the tailpiece all the way in, or leaving it a bit out, makes a difference in resonance. I actually think guitars vibrate a bit more when it is a bit out and not all the way down, but it's more a feel thing than a tonal difference.
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Re: NGD! (soon)
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2014, 08:52:01 PM »


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Re: NGD! (soon)
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2014, 09:09:29 PM »
Happy New Guitar Day!  :D
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Re: NGD! (soon)
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2014, 09:32:41 PM »
thanks!
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Re: NGD! (soon)
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2014, 09:48:04 PM »
Yep, thumbs aloft from me too- looks beautiful.
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Re: NGD! (soon)
« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2014, 09:51:22 PM »
Groovy, fantastic rig full stop!