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Re: Do you think "Patents" by other companies get in the way of BKP evolving?
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2014, 09:41:40 PM »
"The V" or the "Curly Maple Top" V had double cream Gibson pickups.

They certainly did, and that was around '83, if I remember right?  When I was at university.

Also Ibanez had guitars around that time with double-creams, the Artist AR100, Rocket Roll and Destroyer for sure - and I think that was before their partnership with DiMarzio.

I can't find much about DiMarzio's trademark but it looks like they registered it in 1981.  Maybe Gibson thought they wouldn't try to enforce it... but they did!
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Re: Do you think "Patents" by other companies get in the way of BKP evolving?
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2014, 12:33:53 PM »
"The V" or the "Curly Maple Top" V had double cream Gibson pickups.

They certainly did, and that was around '83, if I remember right?  When I was at university.

Also Ibanez had guitars around that time with double-creams, the Artist AR100, Rocket Roll and Destroyer for sure - and I think that was before their partnership with DiMarzio.

I can't find much about DiMarzio's trademark but it looks like they registered it in 1981.  Maybe Gibson thought they wouldn't try to enforce it... but they did!

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Re: Do you think "Patents" by other companies get in the way of BKP evolving?
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2014, 12:40:10 PM »
I think I've got a Flying V book somewhere, probably the same one.... where the hell did I put it?   :huh:
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Re: Do you think "Patents" by other companies get in the way of BKP evolving?
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2014, 01:45:48 PM »
There are so many variations of cream it would be a hard job trying to make sure they are the exact same shade of cream. Its something we do not let get in the way of us producing the best pickups we can!


This.

Plus, there are so many loopholes in the trademark regulations that I am led to believe that it wouldn't hold up if actually challenged. It would just take a company with deep pockets and good lawyers to defend against it if taken to court.

Additionally, doesn't that only apply to the U.S.?  As in, couldn't a UK company like BKP make whatever they want? NAND when it comes to a patent, isn't that also based on the company of origin?n if so....let BKP do what they want.

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Re: Do you think "Patents" by other companies get in the way of BKP evolving?
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2014, 04:38:57 PM »
I think if you try to sell a double cream in USA you'd risk problems, but outside of USA you'd get away with it ok . BKP made me some lovely double cream pickups just recently.

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Re: Do you think "Patents" by other companies get in the way of BKP evolving?
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2014, 07:46:27 AM »
You want to know "HOW" dumb trademark cases can get?

This dickwad has trademarked the WORD "HOW"!!  :shocked:

No wonder lawyers get rich.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/business/chobani-and-dov-seidman-wrestle-over-use-of-how-trademark.html
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Re: Do you think "Patents" by other companies get in the way of BKP evolving?
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2014, 05:55:50 PM »
.or the new single coils coming out

What new single coils?
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Re: Do you think "Patents" by other companies get in the way of BKP evolving?
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2014, 08:09:11 PM »
.or the new single coils coming out

What new single coils?
https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=31890.0

Pretty much all we know is that they are bladed and designed to go well with the Blackhawk, which both are rather obvious. They are in live testing right now, so I would expect a launch somewhere in the coming weeks.
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Re: Do you think "Patents" by other companies get in the way of BKP evolving?
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2014, 12:38:02 PM »
Looks mean! Was perhaps perhaps hoping for something to breach the gap between the Vintage/Vintage Hot and Contemporary Strat pickups. There's quite a jump in output between the Slowhand, the Trilogy and the Sinner sets.... 7.6 -> 15.5 -> 21.5 on the bridge PU.
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Re: Do you think "Patents" by other companies get in the way of BKP evolving?
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2014, 03:33:23 PM »
Looks mean! Was perhaps perhaps hoping for something to breach the gap between the Vintage/Vintage Hot and Contemporary Strat pickups. There's quite a jump in output between the Slowhand, the Trilogy and the Sinner sets.... 7.6 -> 15.5 -> 21.5 on the bridge PU.
Do not mistake DC resistance for output, they are different things. The Trilogy and Sinner have higher DC resistance because they use a thinner wire, so you can get more turns in, resulting in a higher resistance. The presence of those numbers is often missleading, as they do not say a lot about ouput at all. They do give some idea when comparing pickups that use the same wire, as then they tell about compression and hotness, which is percieved output. Higher resistances then can also hint at a smoother treble and bigger low end.

Things like the magnet however make a bigger difference far as I know, but even that is a minefield of fals conclusions.

I mean look at the Warpig compared to the Blackhawk. 21.5k vs 8.9k yet their output is pretty close to each other.

When it comes to the mentioned single coils the Slowhand is probably hotter than youŽd think (perfectly paired with Crawlers and Holydivers for example, which even the IT does well) while the Trilogy and Sinners can do more modern stuff but can also scale back very well. I mean they are inspired by Malmsteen and Judas Priest respectivly so they are originally rooted in 80s sounds, yet they can handle modern metal. Dial back the volume and they will funk too.
The IT and Slowhand go comfortably up to classic heavy metal and there the Trilogy and Sinner take over rather fluently.

The new one I expect to be somwhat in the Sinner and Trilogy realm with the expectation that similarly to the Blackhawk they follow the idea of getting those tones classicly done by EMGs. If that were the case they would do modern metal like champs, but also go back to saturated singing clean tones, perhaps even Gilmour type stuff.
And you can probably expect them to have IT and Slowhand level resistance readings. ;)
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