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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2006, 09:10:40 PM »
Dont get groove agent...get DFH!!!!
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2006, 09:24:57 PM »
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Dont get groove agent...get DFH!!!!


I'm sure it's out of this world sound wise but i don't want to be sitting at my pc programming it for ages, or isn't it like that? I just want to get some drums down and go ape shite on me guitar!
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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2006, 10:12:29 PM »
Maybe groove agent might be more for you then. I think that it is supposed to be pretty good. Let me know if you get it.
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2006, 10:14:36 PM »
hahaahaa shaaaaaaame on youpc program-drum-programmers!!!!

i have it all built in to my POCKET-SIZED Zoom ps-04...  8)  :twisted:

although i have a slight problem... in that.... i have absolutely no idea whatsoever how to use it....

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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2006, 05:06:14 AM »
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NOTE!!! Spec for DFH Superior is ..At least 1gb of Ram and 40 free GB on your HD!!!


 :D F***ing Hell !!! Whats it do with all that space  :?

 :D  8)
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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2006, 07:35:38 AM »
40 gb of sound my friend!!!
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2006, 01:07:37 PM »
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NOTE!!! Spec for DFH Superior is ..At least 1gb of Ram and 40 free GB on your HD!!!


 :D F***ing Hell !!! Whats it do with all that space  :?

 :D  8)


It makes it sound like a real kit.
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2006, 02:53:50 PM »
:D Doe`s it allready have pre programmed patterns in it that are useable ?
I`m seriously thinking about getting a cheap Laptop then beefing up the RAM & useing it as a recording unit only. That would mean i could move the whole thing around espeicialy for recording guitars from real amps... :D

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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2006, 03:35:17 PM »
So is drumkit from hell just samples, or a sequencer aswell? I've been confused about that for ages  :lol:

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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2006, 04:48:59 PM »
DFH is used in conjuction with your chosen recording software...or at least thats how I use it. If you buy a copy I think that there are pre done tracks on the users site.
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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2006, 08:36:09 PM »
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NOTE!!! Spec for DFH Superior is ..At least 1gb of Ram and 40 free GB on your HD!!!


 :D F***ing Hell !!! Whats it do with all that space  :?

 :D  8)


It's all samples of tons of different kits struck at different velocities and recorded through multiple mic sources.  Takes a fair old amount of space but sounds bloody awesome.  :)

Just check this out: http://www.muttleyville.org/downloads/mp3/UnderAGlassMoon-DrumIntro.mp3

That was one evenings work with no mixing done at all (I was using this as a way of learning how to use DFHS), just all of the drum mics bounced down with a bit of stereo placement.  Would sound even more awesome with a bit of mixing.  :)

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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2006, 08:52:08 PM »
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NOTE!!! Spec for DFH Superior is ..At least 1gb of Ram and 40 free GB on your HD!!!


 :D F***ing Hell !!! Whats it do with all that space  :?

 :D  8)


It's all samples of tons of different kits struck at different velocities and recorded through multiple mic sources.  Takes a fair old amount of space but sounds bloody awesome.  :)

Just check this out: http://www.muttleyville.org/downloads/mp3/UnderAGlassMoon-DrumIntro.mp3

That was one evenings work with no mixing done at all (I was using this as a way of learning how to use DFHS), just all of the drum mics bounced down with a bit of stereo placement.  Would sound even more awesome with a bit of mixing.  :)

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They sound awesome. So what program do you use for the sequencing? This whole BK album things got me interested in getting a good sequencer and making good clips again!

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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2006, 09:52:30 PM »
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NOTE!!! Spec for DFH Superior is ..At least 1gb of Ram and 40 free GB on your HD!!!


 :D F***ing Hell !!! Whats it do with all that space  :?

 :D  8)


It's all samples of tons of different kits struck at different velocities and recorded through multiple mic sources.  Takes a fair old amount of space but sounds bloody awesome.  :)

Just check this out: http://www.muttleyville.org/downloads/mp3/UnderAGlassMoon-DrumIntro.mp3

That was one evenings work with no mixing done at all (I was using this as a way of learning how to use DFHS), just all of the drum mics bounced down with a bit of stereo placement.  Would sound even more awesome with a bit of mixing.  :)

Muttley


They sound awesome. So what program do you use for the sequencing? This whole BK album things got me interested in getting a good sequencer and making good clips again!


I use Cakewalk SONAR 5 Producer Edition, and just program the drums in the MIDI piano roll view.

SONAR is quite pricey, but well worth the money IMHO.

Actually, I've got an old (legit I might add) copy of Cubasis VST 3.0 which you can have if you want (I haven't used it in years).  Might get you started.  Just pop me a PM with your address and I'll bung it in the post this weekend.

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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2006, 01:39:50 PM »
:D How easy is it to programme DFH ? Can you do really complex rolls that actually sound real ?

The problem i have with Drum machines is that all the rolls sound unbelievable, fake. You can tell it`s a drum box a mile off.

The sample of DFH that you gave us to listen to sounds great. Doesn`t it get abit complicated if your having to decide what kind of velocity or where a drum pad is hit ?

How do you programme it in to your PC ? Do you need a Piano style keyboard or drum pad ?

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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2006, 08:03:12 PM »
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:D How easy is it to programme DFH ? Can you do really complex rolls that actually sound real ?


It's quite straightforward, I just do it in a MIDI piano roll view, and I've got a drum-map for SONAR so instead of notes on the keyboard I have the name of the drum (and whether it's a left or right-handed/footed hit)



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The problem i have with Drum machines is that all the rolls sound unbelievable, fake. You can tell it`s a drum box a mile off.


That's usually because stuff is too precise, or that it's the same sound played repeatedly.

DFHS has several hits recorded at different strengths and with both left and right hands/feet (that's why the install is so damn huge), these are mapped to different velocity ranges.  So for example if you program a snare roll with all 127 velocities, it still won't play the same sample, it'll either randomise them or loop through several different samples, so it sounds a lot more human already.  Top that off with clever time-slipping and it sounds much better than normal drum machines.  I also tend to subtley change the tempo of the track at certain times, for example when a song goes into a chorus I might speed it up a few clicks to mimic the way real drummers do to emphasise parts.

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The sample of DFH that you gave us to listen to sounds great. Doesn`t it get abit complicated if your having to decide what kind of velocity or where a drum pad is hit ?


You don't have to worry about where the drum is hit, and for the velocities I just write the part in one velocity and then use some tools build into SONAR to randomise the velocities on specific drums (for example, you could randomise the snare one way, and the hi-hats another, etc.) between certain ranges, and then go in and tweak certain hits manually if I feel they need it.

I also concentrate on mimicing a real drummer (no, not by drooling on my desk ;)) and ensuring I don't program anything that's physically impossible, and also making sure I use the correct hand/feet hits, etc.

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How do you programme it in to your PC ? Do you need a Piano style keyboard or drum pad ?

 :D  8)


I have a MIDI keyboard, so I can tap in beats in real (or step) time, but usually I use the mouse/keyboard and judicious use of cut & paste.  ;)

I'm also trying to build up an archive of interesting rolls and fills in MIDI format that I can import.  Best way to get these is download some drum tabs for songs you like I find.  :)

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