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Dave Sloven

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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2015, 04:02:03 AM »
I would seriously just go with an A-Bomb in this case, and pair it with a Rebel Yell neck for shredding.
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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2015, 05:08:41 AM »
I had a great result with this pickup combination.    The screw height can be adjusted to fine tune the treble response so that it balances well, provided that this is necessary in the guitar. 

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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2015, 09:24:35 PM »
Thank you all for the inputs guys, It was very appreciated!
I'll try to add some more details, answering to Yellowjacket:

Actually my amp is this:
http://www.bluguitar.com/english/AMP1.html
It's a beast in versatility and comfort; Its sound is not comparable to a real hi-gain head (obviously) but considering the size of the unit it does the job exceptionally well. Because of its single valve, its sound seems to be more oriented to the treble/middle-treble side and less to the bass/middle-bass side...It has lows but highs are just more (And this is another reason why I need a pickup with a rich bass response). if you want to hear it yourself here is a metal demo (not mine):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz50JV1KiSw

I don't know if you have noticed it; but the Less Plus isn't just a 9 hole weight relieved guitar, it has also a slimmer body in comparison to a regular Gibson!

I'm not considering the neck pickup mainly for two reasons:
1)I really don't like the sound of neck pickups...I never felt the need to use them, even in cleans.
2)My neck pickup will be this:
http://www.alittlethunder.com/
I have supported their campaign on Kickstarter and I should receive this pickup soon.

I'm not looking for a bridge pickup that covers everything....yeah, actually I'll play everything with it :D but mainly I want a pup that does well "only" 2 things: metal stuff(rhythm and solo) and cleans.

Bottom line: I think that the Tremonti Treble is ceramic too :)

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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2015, 11:33:05 PM »
My fear in that case is that the A-Bomb, with all those aggressive upper mids, would be too much. I think you might need a pickup with a stronger presence in the bass. To me, that would suggest Juggernaut, Miracle Man or Warpig.
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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2015, 11:33:34 PM »
You might want to consider a Cold Sweat or a Miracle Man.  Both are tight and will do great leads and rhythm stuff.  Both have a good amount of bottom end, more with the MM but not as good on the cleans as the CS.  Not sure if they might be too bright in the top end for your guitar though.  I would recommend them over a Rebel Yell, which doesn't have much bass and can sound thin in a lighter guitar.
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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2015, 01:45:56 AM »
My fear in that case is that the A-Bomb, with all those aggressive upper mids, would be too much. I think you might need a pickup with a stronger presence in the bass. To me, that would suggest Juggernaut, Miracle Man or Warpig.

The Juggernaut seems to fit the bill perfectly re: Cleans, Metal Rhythm & Metal leads.

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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2015, 11:40:23 AM »
Another important thing that I missed:

I often use distorted chord inversions with 3 (or even 4) voices; and I want a pickup that let me hear those voices as clear as possible!

I owned a Gibson Les Paul Standard 2012 with Burstbuckers Pro. They sound much better (for me) than the pups on this Less+ but neither of them is able to separate well all the voices of a distorted chord. My fear with the A-Bomb is that it confuses the chord voices too (because it has a very rich and hairy sound)!

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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2015, 04:56:02 PM »
Any BKP is way more transparant, dynamic and has better noteseparation than Gibson-pickups.
Mules, VHII, Crawler, MM's, IT's, BG50's.

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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2015, 08:27:35 PM »
Another important thing that I missed:

I often use distorted chord inversions with 3 (or even 4) voices; and I want a pickup that let me hear those voices as clear as possible!

I owned a Gibson Les Paul Standard 2012 with Burstbuckers Pro. They sound much better (for me) than the pups on this Less+ but neither of them is able to separate well all the voices of a distorted chord. My fear with the A-Bomb is that it confuses the chord voices too (because it has a very rich and hairy sound)!

The Burstbucker Pros are good pickups. 

For note separation and clarity, you have to look at your tone / amp settings as well as your pickups because the mud may originate somewhere else in the signal chain.

If you want maximum clarity and note separation -even under obscene amounts of gain- the Rebel Yell will do this.  It also sounds great with heavy strings and low tunings.  The pickup is tight, bright, and clear.  It takes tonnes of gain but may be too thin and upper mid focused for your guitar.  It has a similar voice to a Burstbucker Pro but with a higher and tighter low end. 

The A-Bomb does have clarity and note separation but it is thicker sounding than the Rebel Yell.  It may be a great match for a thinner sounding instrument with less low end.  I 'hear' that it doesn't handle drop tuning as well but I can't confirm this as I have yet to drop tune it.

The Juggernaut Bridge is even more powerful than the A-Bomb and it sounds thick, but in a different way.  BKP says the twin screws will emphasize clarity and give slightly higher output than the twin bolts I have in my Juggerbridge. 

Based on what you've been saying, I'm actually leaning towards suggesting a Juggernaught Bridge so that you can do clean as well as rhythm and lead for metal.  If you can EQ your setup to emphasize the top end, it should serve you well.  If you're worried about complex chord voicings, just listen to Periphery's music; It's essentially a bunch of bad jazz chords lool.  Just be sure to get the twin screws instead of the bolts, even if the bolts look better.

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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2015, 12:52:05 AM »
I have an Epi Explorer (a dark guitar) tuned CFA#D#GC and it is fine with the A-Bomb.  If I had the option I would consider the RY or Emerald but only because of the darkness of the guitar, not it ability to handle lower tunings. It doesn't sound like a bass in low tunings anymore, which was a problem with the A-Pig in this guitar (by the way the A-Pig is now in an SG Special in the same tuning and it is fine there).
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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2015, 08:13:17 PM »
I have an Epi Explorer (a dark guitar) tuned CFA#D#GC and it is fine with the A-Bomb.  If I had the option I would consider the RY or Emerald but only because of the darkness of the guitar, not it ability to handle lower tunings. It doesn't sound like a bass in low tunings anymore, which was a problem with the A-Pig in this guitar (by the way the A-Pig is now in an SG Special in the same tuning and it is fine there).

This sounds like it may require some investigating.   :cheesy:

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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2015, 01:49:05 AM »
I should add that I play doom metal in that tuning so 'tightness' isn't a huge issue.  I haven't tried playing djent on it or whatever
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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2015, 05:26:05 PM »
I don't like Misha's tone very much...however the Juggernout sounds killer. maybe it's for real the only one that satisfy all my requests, and that fits my gear the best mmmmh

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Re: New bridge pickup for a Gibson Less+ (metal\shred\cleans)
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2015, 10:47:42 PM »
I don't like Misha's tone very much...however the Juggernout sounds killer. maybe it's for real the only one that satisfy all my requests, and that fits my gear the best mmmmh

You don't need to dial in Misha's tone using his signature pickup.  He rigorously tested that bridge pickup specifically for the purpose of sounding good clean, for rhythm, and for leads.  It also sounds good drop tuned and it has clarity for extended chord voicings so that's a great plus. 

The voice of the pickup is somewhat dark and it has this 'hollow mids' character but forum member 'Littleredguitar' really liked the result with it in a Les Paul style instrument.

The sorts of tones I dial in with the Juggernaut set are more 'prog rock / prog metal' sounding than they are 'djenty'.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGFeGtEwcsI

This being said, pay attention to the 'voice' of the pickup.  Form a utilitarian standpoint, it will do what you want.  Whether your like the tonal contribution from the pickup is a different story.  Sometimes this is hard to determine until you get the pickup in a guitar and play the thing. 
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