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maha_zandyne

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Humbucker to go with TS neck, IT middle?
« on: March 14, 2016, 01:19:38 AM »
Hi guys, first time on the forum. Great to be here! I was just wondering what humbucker would go well with a TS neck and IT middle in my Chapman ML-1. It's got a (heavy-ish) mahogany body with a bolt-on maple neck and ebony fretboard, as well as a vintage trem. Compared unplugged to my featherweight basswood Ibby RG, it's definitely darker and warmer with a much more prominent bass response, but still has some snap and brightness to it thanks to the maple neck and ebony board. I'd say it sounds kinda balanced overall, but I could be wrong.

I decided not to go with matching pickup models since I wanted something a lot beefier than the stock neck pickup but still retaining the Strat character. However, I didn't want to lose too much quack and spank from the split coil positions which I really like, so I went with a lower output pickup in the middle. The stock bridge pickup sounds alright, but it's really nothing special—it's intended to be a placeholder for you to install what you like.

That being said, I'm a torn between maybe the Holydiver and the Crawler in the bridge (and the Black Dog?). Also open to other suggestions if need be. I play primarily jazz and fusion, and sometimes funk, rock, pop, and prog. I kind of need the pickups to do everything reasonably well, haha. The bridge, however, needs to be especially good for solos and lead playing since I improvise quite a bit. I'm influenced a lot by the likes of Tom Quayle, Greg Howe, Guthrie Govan, and Allan Holdsworth.

Hope I've described what I'm looking for well enough. Thanks, everyone!
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Re: Humbucker to go with TS neck, IT middle?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2016, 03:08:18 AM »
Crawler or Abraxas. Both split excellent and are quite versatile and a bit more vintage sounding than the Diver.
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maha_zandyne

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Re: Humbucker to go with TS neck, IT middle?
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2016, 08:42:38 AM »
The Crawler was my first choice actually. My only concern is that it might not sound as defined or tight as an HD due to the extra bass (and since it'll be going into a mahog geetar too). There aren't that many high gain lead demos of the Crawler either, and from what I could find, it wasn't exactly what I was looking for. I really like the warm, saturated leads of the HD modern metal clips too. Kinda frustrating to compare the Crawler and HD since they don't have the exact same kind of demos on their respective pages, but oh well. Haha.

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Re: Humbucker to go with TS neck, IT middle?
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2016, 10:20:15 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN84qcU1DHM

It's not as tight as the HD, but for me tight enough. Unless you want to play ferocious metal the Crawler is pretty good allrounder.
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maha_zandyne

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Re: Humbucker to go with TS neck, IT middle?
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2016, 11:27:19 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN84qcU1DHM

It's not as tight as the HD, but for me tight enough. Unless you want to play ferocious metal the Crawler is pretty good allrounder.

Sounds pretty good! No, I'm not much of a metalhead myself although I do dig bands like AAL and Periphery. I guess I'll go for the Crawler then, thanks!

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Re: Humbucker to go with TS neck, IT middle?
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2016, 01:45:42 PM »
People can be wary about the Crawler in mahogany and with good reason as it is a dark pickup but I suspect it might be OK. The Crawler worked supremely well in my PRS SE Custom 24, which is mahogany and I suspect your guitar might be tonally similar. The Holydiver and Black Dog would also be good options and both would be tighter than the Crawler.
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maha_zandyne

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Re: Humbucker to go with TS neck, IT middle?
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2016, 04:32:20 PM »
People can be wary about the Crawler in mahogany and with good reason as it is a dark pickup but I suspect it might be OK. The Crawler worked supremely well in my PRS SE Custom 24, which is mahogany and I suspect your guitar might be tonally similar. The Holydiver and Black Dog would also be good options and both would be tighter than the Crawler.

Yeah essentially it's looking like a toss-up of what I want out of the bridge PU: better cleans + split-coil tones (Crawler) or a tighter bass response, making lead playing sound a bit better (HD). Anyhow, I've read that it's pretty sensitive to height adjustments (as all BKPs seemingly are). Do you think I could maybe just get the Crawler and tighten up the bass by messing around with the height?

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Re: Humbucker to go with TS neck, IT middle?
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2016, 07:18:36 PM »
Only up to a point. Kiichi is a great advocate of lowering pickups and raising polepieces and it does work but the Crawler is never going to be as tight as the Holydiver. I can't say it particularly bothered me when I had a Crawler in my PRS but then I'm not that bothered about things being too tight. Actually, the older I've become I've discovered more and more that when I used to say I wanted tightness, I was actually referring to articulation. I like a pickup to be very articulate as I hate mud and mush of any sort but when a pickup starts to get really tight, it feels to me like the sound has a straightjacket on that guitar is trying to break free from and as a result it always feels to me like you lose any form of sweetness and warmth to the tone and it stops being organic. There's no variety as all you have left is tightness, which is why I guess I really dislike pickups like the Aftermath. The Miracle Man and Cold Sweat pickups were pretty good but these days I simply wouldn't entertain a ceramic pickup. I don't even like the Juggernaut yet my PRS currently has a pickup installed that is very similar, it's just that the ceramic middle has been changed to alnico 8 and that makes all the difference. Anyway, I digress. I think it all depends where your priorities lie. If you see you primary focus for this guitar as being Blues Rock and Classic Rock with the odd foray into 80s Metal, get the Crawler. If you see your primary focus being 80s Metal but with some Classic Rock and more modern styles sometimes thrown into the mix, the Holydiver is just the ticket. They're both fantastic, just fantastic in slightly different areas.
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maha_zandyne

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Re: Humbucker to go with TS neck, IT middle?
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2016, 01:59:37 PM »
BTW, needed to ask—would 500k pots all around be okay? I just ordered the custom 550k and 500k push-push since the stock electronics in the Chapman are kinda cr@p. I'm hoping the TS and IT won't be too bright... Do you think I could try the trick of wiring a 500k resistor in parallel with the singles?
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Re: Humbucker to go with TS neck, IT middle?
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2016, 03:42:51 PM »
I´d say try it without first, maybe it will work. Otherwise adding the resistor is easy. I recon you might very well end up doing that, but seeing the difference is only good for you.
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