Author Topic: Modelling VS. Real amps (Read 38305 times)

donovan.x · « **Reply #30 on:** April 02, 2006, 04:37:57 PM »

Sambo,I dont know how old you are or how long you have been playing guitar but between now and whenever you will buy and sell and swap and chop so much guitar stuff it will make your head spin. Go for what what you want and if it doesn't work for you chop it in and get something else.
The elusive "perfect" gear does not exsist. I have had all sorts of amps and each one in there own rights had something but none of them had everything. the moddeling stuff nowadays is awesome and this is genuinly coming from someone who used to be so sceptical about these things, but it's true, I have heard guys in pubs throwing out some scorching tones with a line 6 PODxt and heard some real shite coming from some valve amps and vica versa.

badgermark · « **Reply #31 on:** April 02, 2006, 05:11:51 PM »

ive found a simple clean and dirty tone is enough for almost anything. most people dont care that the tone isnt spot on, all 90% of punters care about are lyrics. get a good singer and your off :D

38thBeatle · « **Reply #32 on:** April 02, 2006, 05:37:53 PM »

Sambo, it was a Korg AX1500G.I new that volume would be critical at this gig-I mean low volume and that ruled out our normal gear. I'd bought the Korg dirt cheap and got 5 patches that were more or less ok and them messed with them. I can't say it is what you would call brilliant but as been said above, the punters don't care- they just want entertaining-and that is the case for just about every gig I have ever played. Given choice I'd have a decent valve amp with a more or less clean tone with something to add a bit of filth when required.

sambo · « **Reply #33 on:** April 02, 2006, 05:52:39 PM »

i see.... was that the korg mentioend in the other thread comparing loads of units?

hmmmm interesting stuff indeed....

and phil, what you said about it working well with your laney was very interesting as i have an lc30 at the moment...

to all people commenting on this though- were you using it for effects or its pre-amp uses????

dave_mc · « **Reply #34 on:** April 02, 2006, 05:53:35 PM »

Quote from: _tom_

Hahahaha that dumble is REDICULOUS. What kind of idiot would spend that amount of money on it?! Could get a totally custom amp for less than that :lol:

er... SRV?

Anyway, my argument against the digital modelling stuff is:

(a) it won't sound as good

(b) whoever said you only really need one clean and dirty sound is right (ok, i like to have a clean, a crunch, a hard rock, and a metal sound (and a solo sound, lol), but still, it's hardly worth getting a modeller for that)

(c) If you buy a good valve amp, but it doesn't suit you, you can normally sell it on for a decent price, as opposed to a modeller, where you probably won't get as good a resale price

(k (just to shake things up, lol)) sambo is already used to valve, he's decided the laney lc30 isn't for him (more or less), i'd say going back to modelling is a step backwards. I'd assume sambo already has a rough idea of what he wants to sound like.

(e) If I were sambo I'd try to calm down the GAS, and basically say "right, I'm not buying ANYTHING for 6 months. In that time I'm going to try out everything I can get my hands on, to see what they're like". There's no need to BUY a modeller- just try out a load in shops, lol.

You have no excuse, sambo- I'm in Northern Ireland where it IS hard to get to try out good stuff, you're in London, lol.

sambo · « **Reply #35 on:** April 02, 2006, 05:56:16 PM »

lol true^.... good point(s) dave..... but i dunno if i CAN control my GAS..... :?

sambo · « **Reply #36 on:** April 02, 2006, 05:59:26 PM »

Quote from: Ratrod

I wouldn't touch that digital modeling stuff with a 10 foot pole.

why?!???!?!!!!!! did you not hear hunters new black dog clips?

i dont see this obsession with valve amps.... its starting to annoy me...

its like people just refuse to accept that anything other than their big, fat valve amp can get any good sounds at all.....

ridiculous...

and tom, you were COMPLETELY missing the point before.... because i dont have any of your gear and im not playing the same stuff as you...

Kilby · « **Reply #37 on:** April 02, 2006, 06:15:54 PM »

Woooh,

people remember the earlier moddelers which where not very good (the posh way of saying sh1te). Others have their tone and a straight valve amp (usually) works it's magic for them.

Easter is almost here and you don't need to buy anything yet, spend your hols (if you are not revising for exams) playing with every amp and moddeller you can find, including stuff you wouldn't normally look at.

At the end of the hols you will have a better idea of how to move foreward.

BTW SRV did not pay that sort of price of that we can be assured.

Rob...

PS opinions are like a55 holes, eveybody has one and they all stink.

sambo · « **Reply #38 on:** April 02, 2006, 06:19:26 PM »

urghh rob didnt need that last sentance :lol:

i know though, what i was trying to say was, why do some people not ACCEPT other peoples stinking opinions.... i mean, i can appreciate that the cleans and blues of toms fender hotrod probably sound really cool.... but that doesnt mean that i should get one, or that something else might be just as good for other things...

(not trying to single you out tom- just an example)

see what i mean?

anyway, ill TRY and make myself test a lotta stuff before i buy but not promising anything :lol:

Bird · « **Reply #39 on:** April 02, 2006, 06:40:58 PM »

You know when you'll really hear the difference between a modeller and an amp? When you've played through something like a Pod for a year and then fire up your tube amp. I bought a Pod and thought it sounded great and because I'm in an apt. I played through it all the time, about a year later I decided to fire up my amp and the difference was pretty obvious. I still get some great sounds out of the Pod, ex. the new MM pups on the Rectifier and soldano settings. I think Edge used the Pod 2.0 for all the effects on All That You Can't Leave Behind, so it'll sound good in the context of a song. But there's something about those glowing tubes that the modelers just haven't caputred.... yet :)

sambo · « **Reply #40 on:** April 02, 2006, 06:47:07 PM »

lol yer i know what you mean...

but then im guessing a lot of the differences are the actual projection of the sound- i.e fat cab with four speakers= massive in-your-face projection

little FX box through whatever= thin

so in theory... playing a multi-fx through cabs could sound just as good as valve amp through cabs...

_tom_ · « **Reply #41 on:** April 02, 2006, 06:48:59 PM »

Quote from: sambo

urghh rob didnt need that last sentance :lol:

i know though, what i was trying to say was, why do some people not ACCEPT other peoples stinking opinions.... i mean, i can appreciate that the cleans and blues of toms fender hotrod probably sound really cool.... but that doesnt mean that i should get one, or that something else might be just as good for other things...

(not trying to single you out tom- just an example)

see what i mean?

anyway, ill TRY and make myself test a lotta stuff before i buy but not promising anything :lol:

Yeah I didnt mean "get a hotrod" I was just showing that you can get good enough sounds from a simple setup with a pedal or two and a valve amp :D

Oh and I agree with what someone else said about the crowd not caring about tone, its probably true.

sambo · « **Reply #42 on:** April 02, 2006, 06:53:15 PM »

^ well the crowd not caring about the tone works both ways:

you could argue that there was no point in getting a valve amp and few pedals because the crowd wouldnt tell the difference..

see?! thats what i mean by people not opening their eyes

Bird · « **Reply #43 on:** April 02, 2006, 06:59:54 PM »

Use the gear you want to use becasue YOU like the way it sounds. End of story.

sambo · « **Reply #44 on:** April 02, 2006, 07:02:03 PM »

nice round up...

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