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NSD - new slide day
« on: July 27, 2016, 12:14:34 PM »
So a slide wrongly came up on one of my regular ebay searches for some reason. A Jim Dunlop 202 - medium regular glass slide for Ģ4.99.

I decided to impulse buy it and was playing around with it all last night. This thing is an absolute hoot, and I definitely recommend one to every player.

Obviously I need to work on my technique more, because I'm still very sloppy, but nevertheless I was able to make some decent noises after about 15mins or so with it.

I tried each finger to see which I preferred, and I feel that my smallest finger (pinky) is going to work out the best for me.

As such, the medium regular glass slide I have is a little on the large side. So I have ordered a couple more slides - a Dunlop 212, which is a glass slide with thick walls, yet shorter and tighter than my existing slide. I also figured I'd try a Johnny Winter signature slide, meant for fast aggressive pinky playing, which sounds like it might be my sort of thing too.

We'll see! I don't really want to buy too many of these things, but I don't think that my first slide (although amazing fun) was quite right for me.

Any slide advice?
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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2016, 01:06:43 PM »
Donīt have any advice, but you remind me to play a little more slide again and maybe finally get a hand of it. And get my lapsteel out again too.

Maybe I should also get one of those lighter glass slides like you. Only have a metal one, which is light, and a heavy ceramic or something one (for which my action seems way too low even though it is rather high).
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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2016, 02:30:51 PM »
Have fun with it!

I use a brass slide; I find glass to be too shrill. I still prefer using lap steel for slide work, though.

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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2016, 07:05:14 PM »
Nice one! You'll be an old blueser yet :grin:

I have several slides for different vibes. I have a piece of brass piping that my drummer sorted out in 1983 from the Physics Department at Exeter Uni - that's my main slide. I have a few Dunlop slides - one clear glass, one chrome plated, and one brass - they're all good. And I have a green bottleneck - that's quite tasty.

They all behave differently and give different types of slide tone. Eg if I want tight and accurate on an electric (fender, cleanish), the clear glass or the chromed slide are best. I find that Brass is a nice weight for getting the slide onto the strings but not too much fret noise - I can just slap a brass slide on and not worry. Lighter or heavier (I've got a great big ceramic thing), I find I have to concentrate on pressing harder or softer too much - but I do get used to it after a while.

As to which finger - whatever feels good. My standard is the little finger, because that gives me the most fingers for fretting - and I've used it that way ever since the early 80s. But I do use ring finger as well sometimes.

Listen to or watch (youtube) Rory - there's a LOT of slide overdubs on Top Priority, for example, and live footage of Mississippi Sheikhs and Brute Force & Ignorance are stunning. Watching him in the 80s made me realise slide is a LOT easier than it seems. You can get too precious about it, worrying about the extra noise etc. Just go for it, play a lot, revel in the funny noises, and look for tones that turn you on personally.

I read a Duane Allman bio (Skydog), and apparently that's what he did. He was looking for a sound, and heard about slide. He got a slide and then spent weeks wandering round the house just playing slide guitar. When you find tones that grab you, you'll be able to "say stuff" with them, and everyone listening goes "hey that's cool, wish I could do that". Oh, if you haven't come across it, The Allman Brothers At The Filmore East, WOW WOW WOW. Just listen to the opener, Statesboro Blues - that's some serious slide tone. There's loads more slide on that album, but that's the one that sticks out for lead stuff.

On the guitar itself, maybe raise the action slightly. Rory used to raise the saddle on just the high E on a strat to aid playing slide in standard tuning - I tried that, and yes, it seemed to help a bit... NO IDEA WHY THOUGH!!!

Finally, do check out open G and D tunings. The crazy rock n roll slide stuff Rory did (Bullfrog, In Your Town, Souped Up Ford) are all on a "G" tuning. His was actually tuned up to A and then a capo slapped on - but it's the G shape: DGDGBD. When I was learning it was easier to play slide chords and find licks. But once you're getting happy on it, the middle strings --DGB- are exactly the same as standard tuning, so suddenly you find you can play slide in standard. Also, with the (low) 6th string taken off, that's Keef's guitar - Brown Sugar, etc sound fabulous when you tune the geetar right!

But, yep, have FUN. There is something about slide guitar - sounds like it's just grabbed you. I found that just a bit of practice, getting over the initial hurdles, and suddenly EVERYONE seems impressed by really simple stuff, even the other guitarists in the room!! :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2016, 12:03:21 AM »
Sooooo.....I am mostly inspired by what the Wilco folks do with slide. Gotta pick out some good examples outside of "The Lonely 1", later on in studio version earlier in the live version. Brilliant song btw. What a show closer when you are a name (they did it as an encore when I first some them on a long story rock and roll thing).
that song live....holy....

What would you recon can get me closest to that singing, lapsteel-ish, tone?
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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2016, 01:01:40 AM »
I was hoping for one of your longer posts Andy! Of course, Rory was a cool slide player himself, that totally slipped my mind. I'll be checking him out tomorrow along with your other suggestions.

In fact I also put an order in for something called a Rock Slide which is a short brass slide with ergonomic cut outs so we'll see what it's like.

Slide definitely has grabbed me yes, I'm working out how I can include it in my existing material!
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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2016, 01:13:12 PM »
If you want to see some kuh-razy slide playing, as well as incredible playing in general, check out JD Simo. He is my Rock Messiah lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MSYhor_gPI
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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2016, 04:31:16 PM »
My Rock Slide arrive and it is very nicely made. We'll see how I like it in use later, but its good quality for sure.
 

(I still like this old BKP forum Rory favourite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSe5v7mJMiY  :afro:)
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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2016, 06:26:10 PM »
Here's a fab Cradle Rock from Rory, Montreux 75. There is slide, kicks in about 2.20. Fine example of rock and roll slide on a virtually clean strat!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k4iocWURPk

And talking of clean slide, check out Lowell George of Little Feat.
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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2016, 07:09:18 PM »
Oh
My
God
WOWOWOWWWWW

Footage of the Allmans, with Duane, actual moving pictures of Duane playing slide!!!!!!
(pity the cameraman is on anything but Duane's guitar when he's playing lead breaks)(and the sound is patchy - Greg's vocal suffers)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JduaboHRCyg (Don't keep me wondering)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyhyor0yU3o (Dreams - you don't see it, but just listen to that slide break kick in at 5.22)

Last time I searched, such stuff didn't exist.

There's no slide on this last one, but it has the best sound out of the three songs I could find - Whipping Post, oh wow. This is why Stormy Monday pickups! And what a fine looking SG that Dicky Betts is playing! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUvxRjYqjEQ

I've had a copy of the original live at the Fillmore East album since 1982 or so - I didn't "get it" back then, I was a bit disappointed, I only connected with Statesboro Blues and Stormy Monday Blues, the rest seemed a bit overblown and boring. But Duane has been a bit of a hero ever since. Last few years I've been listening to the remastered and expanded version a lot - and I got the complete recordings set a while back. These guys really knew what they were doing. You know that "if you had a time machine, what would you do?" question? Obviously there's a few gigs of one's heroes, but if I was only alllowed one gig,  I'd go and see the Allmans in 1970 when Duane was alive.
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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2016, 07:24:00 PM »
If you want to see some kuh-razy slide playing, as well as incredible playing in general, check out JD Simo. He is my Rock Messiah lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MSYhor_gPI

HOLY FLIPPIN SMOKESSS!!!

I'd never heard of him - YESSSSS!

THanks for posting that :-)

And chaps - a 60s Baja with Yardbirds sounds like that... a little slower mebbe, but that's the tone!

And because of what I'd been checking out, this is what came up next:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eubOmCZDHVY

Woof! Joe Bona-who??
Why isn't this bloke as famous as Mr B and that Mayer chap?

I'm sold - he's brilliant!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kKGFuqpE5w
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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2016, 07:40:37 PM »
And now I'm seeing Simo at 02 Islington on Wed 7th Dec - cool! :-)
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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2016, 08:16:10 PM »
There's some monster slide playing on this track, Gwem (SIMO's album, track 6, Please)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQGjBpuvm6c&list=PL1o3dtzt4fC6QBn90XBW6fGtoYCN1GJg-&index=6

EDIT: And track 7 starts with some GORGEOUS naked slide.

OK, I'm going upstairs now to turn an amp on!! :evil:
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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2016, 10:31:36 AM »
The last three Simo tracks you posted Andy are excellent stuff. Bluesy, but also somehow with Motown and Gospel influences.

Angel is on my way home from work, could probably join you for a pre-gig drink or bite in December.
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Re: NSD - new slide day
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2016, 10:35:20 AM »
Meanwhile I tried my RockSlide last night. The ergonomics are brilliant, feels very comfy. I do believe I prefer the fat smooth tone of glass, but the weight of the brass is very comforting and I have the feeling my playing is more accurate.

Still waiting for the other slides to come, but I'm quite happy with the RockSlide, I'd feel comfortable to gig with it. Nevertheless, it could be a little smaller still. I might put a bit of tape on the inside... had no idea I had such small fingers(!)
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