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Looking for versatile set for Epiphone Les Paul
« on: July 27, 2016, 07:00:50 PM »
I'm about to get myself an Epiphone Les Paul and looking for a versatile set of pickups. I'm not looking at venturing into any modern metal territory btw.

What I'm looking for is something extremely organic, touch sensitive, and 3D. Basically able to cover a lot of territory. Something I can strum with a beautiful clean sound on the neck without being too bassy, but also can achieve some top end snap, and some sparkle should I wish. I'm a very hands on plug and play type of player and I achieve a lot of my tone through my fingers and playing style, as well as using the volume pot of the guitar. The bridge I'm looking for something balanced without any unpleasant, stuck-out frequencies. Something very friendly to the ear whether it be clean, or some crunch added on, all the way to a vocal singing tone for solos.

I'm currently writing a demo album with a female singer, and it's going to contain a lot of elements from pop, to country, to classic rock, to blues. We have no style...it's basically just coming up with ideas and letting the realms of music take over. Very radio friendly material. So that's why I want to shy away from compressed and high output metal orientated pickups. They seem to have an aggressive quality which I don't want to leak through for these songs. As I said, basically very organic and 3D. Almost like the guitar is an extra voice. Can be used as backing, or to harmonise with the vocals. Will be extensively using this guitar, so I don't have options for a second guitar during the recording and writing process. Plus I also want to kind of seal my identity, and not to over complicate it buy loads of different guitars.

Thankyou very much for taking the time to read.
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Re: Looking for versatile set for Epiphone Les Paul
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2016, 07:25:16 PM »
Easy peasy - Stormy Mondays  :smiley:

I've owned Mules and Riff Raffs for years (the Mules were bought for an Epi LP but ended up in a 335)... but at heart I've been a strat player since the 80s. Not any more.

January 2015 I got a Les Paul Traditional. I took a punt on Stormies. Absolute eye-opener. I've found them exactly how you describe. I even use this Les Paul for the "clean strat stuff" nowadays.

I got a new SG earlier this year, bought a second set of Stormies. It does mellow and jazzy through to Angus Young - all on the same amp settings.

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Re: Looking for versatile set for Epiphone Les Paul
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2016, 07:39:12 PM »
How did the mules compare to the Stormy Mondays? The options for me are just endless as was looking at Mules. But also HP90s as well. Just new to all this as I never upgrade gear. This Epi has EMGs in, so thought I may as well go all out

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Re: Looking for versatile set for Epiphone Les Paul
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2016, 07:54:21 PM »
Something I should add: I need at least some power from my bridge as I rely on the output of the bridge to use my volume control and add some satutration to the sound. kind of like Andy Timmons does.

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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2016, 08:36:14 PM »
Mules would be good too, but Stormies are sweeter sounding - Mules have this nice rasp to them, I can just sense you loving the sweetness of the Stormies. The SMs do rock easily when you ask them too, though (see recordings linked below)

I've always been a single-channel valve amp, no overdrive pedal, kind of guy. I like to set up the amp for a nice crunch with the guitar volume and tone down to about 6 or so. Then I can get cleaner or get dirtier using the controls.

Here's some songs I've done with the Les Paul and Stormies:

https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=32456
https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=32407
https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=32890
https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=32633

Lots of overdubs, but it'll give you an idea. Most of the guitar parts were done with one amp setting for each song, using the guitar controls. Some were through a Yamaha THR10C, set for a "bluesbreaker type amp", running full tilt, some through a Laney CUB12 mic'd up.
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Re: Looking for versatile set for Epiphone Les Paul
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2016, 10:03:08 PM »
FWIW, I have a stormy Monday neck pickup and it's the best neck pickup I've ever heard - really touch sensitive, open, very vocal with loads of character. I'd be tempted to go for a mule bridge / stormy Monday neck if I were you, but I'm sure lots of other people have more experience with those than me - I tend to like a bit more output from my bridge pickups!
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Re: Looking for versatile set for Epiphone Les Paul
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2016, 10:07:04 PM »
I had a listen to them clips. Love the tone and songs :) thing is after listening to them, I've realised that whilst I want the touch sensitivity and dynamics, I think I'm after something more modern sounding, with a vintage to hot vintage feel

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Re: Looking for versatile set for Epiphone Les Paul
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2016, 12:41:51 AM »
I had a listen to them clips. Love the tone and songs :) thing is after listening to them, I've realised that whilst I want the touch sensitivity and dynamics, I think I'm after something more modern sounding, with a vintage to hot vintage feel

I was going to say Mules because they fit exactly your description, but your addition directs more to Abraxas - less chime, more mids, a bit more output, yet still PAF-pedigree.
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2016, 09:16:41 AM »
^ Yep, I think Telerocker could be right, although I've no direct experience of Abraxas - they are on my list though.

Btw - If you were staying vintage, Mules and Stormies are very close to each other, they both put a big smile on my face, it's just the Stormy smile is bigger for me, they suit the character of my playing better.

It's possible Serratus's suggestion of Mule bridge and SM neck might be a good idea? (Mule neck is tasty too, though, if not quite as bell-like).

I've been wracking my brains to try and remember where I've used the Mules (audibly) on recordings. It's these two I think.

http://alonetone.com/andyr/tracks/meet-me-at-the-crossroads - fairly certain the lead break in the middle was 335 Mule Bridge (I'd bust a string on the SG by then! I used an SG with MQs and an Explorer with Riff Raffs to double track both rhythm parts then, when I was doing initial takes of the lead break, I bust a string... and the 335 suggested "Angus" to me more than the Explorer did). This one was Laney mic'd up.

And this - something called Muletide(!), just remembered it.
http://alonetone.com/andyr/tracks/muletide - all the guitars are a Tokai Love Rock with the same set of Mules a few years earlier. I was playing through a Vox Tonelab LE into a little Boss MBR pocket-sized multi-tracker. I (probably) used one amp patch without changing it for all the parts.

I add those clips because it's possible Mules might be as "something more modern" as you need? And they'll still give you chime and mellow when turned down (though slightly drier/harder than Stormies).

Another possibility is Riff Raffs - they are much more "70/80s" than the other two. BUT, for your purposes, I find them "thinner" and less pleasing when turned down.

However, I understand Abraxas are "Mules in character but more" - so they could be the best bet.
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Re: Looking for versatile set for Epiphone Les Paul
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2016, 12:26:25 PM »
Here is another vote for a SM neck. That thing is pure voice. Incredible.

For the bridge. Well, set has a lot going for it, mule if it needs to be a bit harder, and then there is the bigger step up to the Abraxxas, the uber mule. All work will with the SM neck too.
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Re: Looking for versatile set for Epiphone Les Paul
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2016, 01:41:55 PM »
It seems to me that an Abraxas bridge and Stormy Monday neck will give you a very versatile set with a very big operating window.
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2016, 03:11:57 PM »
Abraxas bridge + your choice of Stormy Monday or Riff Raff neck, I think either might do the job
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Re: Looking for versatile set for Epiphone Les Paul
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2016, 04:11:01 PM »
It seems to me that an Abraxas bridge and Stormy Monday neck will give you a very versatile set with a very big operating window.

To keep things balanced (AIV-magnets) I would just pick a Mule-neck. Superb pickup. Very balanced.
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2016, 04:37:39 PM »
Horses for courses I suppose. Personally I prefer having different magnets so I use AV in the bridge and either AII or AIV in the neck.
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Re: Looking for versatile set for Epiphone Les Paul
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2016, 05:20:12 PM »
It seems to me that an Abraxas bridge and Stormy Monday neck will give you a very versatile set with a very big operating window.

To keep things balanced (AIV-magnets) I would just pick a Mule-neck. Superb pickup. Very balanced.
I tend to think that having a lower A magnet in the neck is no issue. Pair an AV bridge (or even ceramic) with an AII neck even and it should work if the pairing is sound besides that. Only the other way around I see issues. An AV neck would not play too well with an AIII bridge imho.

I currently also have AIV neck with AV bridge for example. Works brilliantly of couse.

Even more, since the Abraxxas is AIV, but a hotter wind, it will likely be more rounded than the lighter wind Mule, so there is an argument to be made for the SM actually delivering a nicer balance when considering the high end.
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