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gepetto33

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Re: BKP Ragnarok
« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2017, 05:08:32 PM »
Another djent pickup?  Ugh

I echo this sentiment. Today is one of many times i've periodically popped back on to this forum in order to check out any new updates on the product. I've been coming on here for ~6 years now, but sadly i've not used any BKP for a couple years. To me, it seems like they are catering to one, very very narrow and specific market, and could care less about doing anything else. Metal with haircuts. Hardcore punk technical-ized, and dressed up as metal. For players with more skill than actual taste. While i still have plenty of love for the BKP products i've used in the past, i've now found different pickups that do a similar thing better. Not because i think their skills as a builder surpasses BKP, but because Bare Knuckle decided not to evolve in that direction past their very first efforts. This is their new direction - this and only this, technical hardcore for the new generation, and i just can't get behind it. Sorry for any perceived negativity or distaste, but i've literally waited years to say this... hoping they might eventually prove me wrong.


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Re: BKP Ragnarok
« Reply #76 on: November 14, 2017, 06:45:13 PM »
this is hadly just a "djent" voiced pickup
from specs, it seems more like a beefed up miracle man, with more midrange, less top end and definitely more output
I suppose it has the huge 6 mm ceramic magnet like the juggernaut instead of the regular 4 mm bar
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Re: BKP Ragnarok
« Reply #77 on: November 15, 2017, 08:30:29 AM »
The djent thing people comply so much about is not about the way you play better than about the tone itself?

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Re: BKP Ragnarok
« Reply #78 on: November 20, 2017, 03:47:34 PM »
hoping they might eventually prove me wrong.

I feel the same way.
The last few releases have really been djent oriented. The pickups might be good for other things, but they were only invented because of the “buy all my signature gear” djent bands who seem to make more money selling gear than music. Nothing wrong with getting your money from elsewhere. But the video from Blub selling his newest pickups feels like a car salesman trying to convince me to buy the most expensive car they have, claiming it will do everything I need like it’s some magic car.
It makes me never want to give that guy my money.

Anyway, regarding them making pickups that aren’t related to some djent band. I asked them if they had any plans to make an Alnico 2 or 4 contemporary pickup. Never got a response. Don’t hold your breath.

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Re: BKP Ragnarok
« Reply #79 on: November 25, 2017, 04:01:58 PM »
hoping they might eventually prove me wrong.

I feel the same way.
The last few releases have really been djent oriented. The pickups might be good for other things, but they were only invented because of the “buy all my signature gear” djent bands who seem to make more money selling gear than music. Nothing wrong with getting your money from elsewhere. But the video from Blub selling his newest pickups feels like a car salesman trying to convince me to buy the most expensive car they have, claiming it will do everything I need like it’s some magic car.
It makes me never want to give that guy my money.


Right? Did no think i was alone in this sentiment, so firstly - thank you for the response. I realize the idea of preaching dissent isn't popular over here, but like i was saying in that post - i wouldn't expressing such things if i didn't care. If i wasn't a huge fan of these pickups at one time.


Anyway, regarding them making pickups that aren’t related to some djent band. I asked them if they had any plans to make an Alnico 2 or 4 contemporary pickup. Never got a response. Don’t hold your breath.


This is the part that truly bothers me, the part that caused me to speak up. It's that they really don't seem to give a shite about anything else; even responding to perfectly honest questions about the possibility of new (AIV & AII) pickup types. The company i remember used to have a truly excellent connection to their users/fans. I've talked to Tim on numerous occasions, and found he always had great responses to my inquiries. I suppose that non-response is also telling... possibly saying they don't appreciate any questioning towards this very specific and focused direction BKP are going with their pickups. The Djent pickup company one might think, from their last 4-5 new offerings.

Truthfully the experience dealing with them has declined steadily over the years, on a couple different levels. A couple years back i played a large part in getting the guitar store i work at to become a dealer. While the utterly massive initial buy-in wasn't a huge turn-off, i thought it was a little presumptuous, assuming the market was still a bit unknown/untested. But we went for it anyways, assuming we would undoubtedly sell such a popular product. I won't get into the details of how they sold and how long it took us to move them, that's a point to make at a different time... but my distaste began when we tried to order pickup covers, due to customers wanting different options than what was available in the store. Stocking a few different cover types to meet customer needs makes perfect sense, as opposed to making a custom order and waiting 3-5 weeks each time for them to make it to the US. So by this reasoning, i asked about how we could order (noticing the option wasn't listed on the dealer site) a few different sets of covers, we were simply told - "we don't sell covers separate, you have to order them with a pickup". No compromise whatsoever, official dealer or not. At this time i don't think we've made an order since.

So essentially what this says is their product, at least in our market, became 'dead in the water' based on their current offerings. Not because of the quality therein, but because of the choices they've made in managing in their product line, and from what they're chosen to offer dealers in terms of options. Experienced first hand in black and white, from a fan/user enthusiastically intent on selling their product. Take that how you will.

this is hadly just a "djent" voiced pickup
from specs, it seems more like a beefed up miracle man, with more midrange, less top end and definitely more output
I suppose it has the huge 6 mm ceramic magnet like the juggernaut instead of the regular 4 mm bar

Hey Eric, how's it going man. Since you and i have had some seriously informative and in-depth discussions over time i'd like to say that i value your opinion highly, possibly more than anyone else on this forum. Despite that sir, i must respectfully disagree. I think having the audio sample option of "heavy rhythm" very clearly identifies those products as intended for djent use. I respect that any user is free to seek out and find use for pickups in whatever fashion they choose, but surely you could say that fits with everything they sell. Like you could certainly use a Riff Raff or Stormy Monday for djent metal too.... doesn't mean it will necessarily work great, but if it does then cool.

My questioning is not about their application possibilities, but their direction itself. Truthfully and objectively i listed to every Ragnarock clip with an open mind and found that it does not interest me in the least. I've owned/played enough of these (8 or 9 at least) to know what it's going to do, by said comparison to those i've already played/owned. Really, my favorite BKP pickup ever was named after a Led Zepplin song - and i don't think i've ever listened to them (on purpose) a day in my life. I just, personally speaking, do not think i will ever be compelled to buy a pickup voiced for and named after a djent song. And i doubt i'm alone in this sentiment.

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Re: BKP Ragnarok
« Reply #80 on: November 25, 2017, 04:15:10 PM »
I have one in swamp ash/maple  guitar. Its pure death metal with beautiful clean without pierceing higs. Love it.
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Re: BKP Ragnarok
« Reply #81 on: November 25, 2017, 08:20:48 PM »
hoping they might eventually prove me wrong.

I feel the same way.
The last few releases have really been djent oriented. The pickups might be good for other things, but they were only invented because of the “buy all my signature gear” djent bands who seem to make more money selling gear than music. Nothing wrong with getting your money from elsewhere. But the video from Blub selling his newest pickups feels like a car salesman trying to convince me to buy the most expensive car they have, claiming it will do everything I need like it’s some magic car.
It makes me never want to give that guy my money.

Anyway, regarding them making pickups that aren’t related to some djent band. I asked them if they had any plans to make an Alnico 2 or 4 contemporary pickup. Never got a response. Don’t hold your breath.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  Used car salesman!  Well yeah, these guys can't make money on records and touring, largely due to the state of the music industry.  Like it or not, the internet cut the bottom out of album sales and flavour of the month bands are selling albums in numbers that were befitting of indie bands 20 years ago. 

Yeah, mansoor has been cashing in his chips lately and the marketing tactics are a little garish!!  I seriously laughed out loud when I heard it.

I've had nothing but great customer service and lots of support from Bare Knuckle Pickups.

RE: covers.  They told me that they can only warranty pickups when they wax pot them themselves and they wax pot pickups even when covers are changed.  I sent in a Rebel Yell neck pickup and had them put a brushed nickel cover on it.

A friend of mine I referred to them had some issues with support when he was installing pickups, however.  I was a bit discouraged to hear this. 

RE: Djent pickups.  I have juggernauts in a 6 & 7 string super strats and I don't play djent.  They're fantastic sounding pickups and I absolutely love the touch sensitivity and versatility.  I'm using ibanez style wiring in both guitars with a 0 load tone pot, and the number of tones I can achieve is staggaring.

I find that my main amp can become somewhat compressed under very high levels of gain saturation and I actually had to lower the pickups in my guitars to compensate for this.  So, the Ragnaroks are not really an option I'm terribly interested in.  I suspect they'd be awesome with brighter and more dynamic amplifiers.