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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2017, 04:35:13 PM »
I'll never agree that the miracle man is anywhere similar to the holy diver, except that they are both great rock and metal pickups, with great lead tones and pinch harmonics
the holy diver is a lot middier, the miracle man is a lot bassier and treblier and they respond differently in most contexts

the neck miracle man in the bridge could be compared with the bridge diver, but it's more like a modern voiced warpig with less grindy center mids than like a holy diver
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2017, 10:21:00 PM »
I'll never agree that the miracle man is anywhere similar to the holy diver, except that they are both great rock and metal pickups, with great lead tones and pinch harmonics
the holy diver is a lot middier, the miracle man is a lot bassier and treblier and they respond differently in most contexts

the neck miracle man in the bridge could be compared with the bridge diver, but it's more like a modern voiced warpig with less grindy center mids than like a holy diver
I'm afraid that HD is as middier as my Suhr Aldrich bridge!
And it's been a pain in the a.... trying to find a good modern sound with my already Middle/Bright LP on Kemper...  :undecided:

My other guitarist has a prs custom 22 with dragon 2 bridge (Magnet: Alnico 4, DC Res: 12k)
and i was able to make a bunch of cool modern high gain sounds in his Kemper!!

So that tells me that i need a similar combination with my LP to be flexible with the Kemper.

Both MM & Impulse have lower mids so they will be a good pair with my middy LP.
I always have a Tube Screamer in front just to mention!

Haven't got many infos about Impulse except one great video from youtube with a LP, so i'm wondering if i should go
Ceramic MM or the neck MM on the Bridge!

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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2017, 10:50:42 PM »
If you liked A4 magnet pickup with output around 12, take a closer look at Abraxas bridge. It`s mostly associated with more mellower and more vintage type of sound, but I remember someone saying here than is capable of more mean tone with modern rig. Tube screamer might help.
 Just a thought, but... I still think that you`ll be happy with MM.
 
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2017, 03:13:49 AM »
the dragon 2 sounds more like the emerald, but even brighter
quite trebly and not smooth like an abraxas
I had it in a 96 mccarty
also had the mccarty bridge in it, but that was way too soft
that prs sounded absolutely great with a riff raff in the bridge (even better than my 73 lp custom) and was surpringly really good for metal with a ts9 in front of the amp

I love the miracle man too and it sounds great for mark tremonti, KsE, and some older mastodon stuff, but it's quite different from jerry cantrell or adam jones tones
if you're really looking for a more modern voicing, then it is one of the best
I'd take the MM over the PK, WP and AM any day (haven't owned the JN or BH)
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2017, 07:07:36 AM »
Erik, would you call MM modern sounding pickup? To my ears is not that modern when you compare it to recent models.
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2017, 07:15:51 AM »
Erik, would you call MM modern sounding pickup? To my ears is not that modern when you compare it to recent models.
That's why i was thinking the Impulse solution (DC Resistance: 12.7 kΩ)!!

It seems to have kind of the same Midd scouped character,
other than that neck MM on the bridge seems the way to go.

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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2017, 08:30:24 AM »
I wouldn't say that the Miracle Man is 'modern' ... it has more of an '80s character, like the Cold Sweat and Holy Diver.

Of course for any baby boomers out there '80s is modern, ha ha
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2017, 01:40:56 PM »
well, EMG's are from the 80's and they will always sound "modern" to me, cause that only became a popular signature sound after late 90's (although a lot of big bands used them since the 80's)
it's not like the pickup industry did any relevant innovation attempts after the early 80's

riff raffs sound great for modern metal but they do not sound modern by themselves
the miracle man sounds great for a lot of 80's stuff, but it's not an actual 80's sounding pickup like the cold sweat or rebel yell
there are some obvious  combos that just sound exactly like some would expect from an era signature sound
a nailbomb can do great classic rock into a plexi, but it won't sound like early 70's AC/DC like a Riff Raff would
a miracle man into a rectifier or 5150, for example, sounds just like a lot of metal bands from the last decade, like they were made for each other, specially with the most obvious overdrive pedals that just make things better, but also fall into a (good) tone cliché
it doesn't mean it can't do 80's hard rock well in other amps
a cold sweat also sounds modern through a rectifier, but not miracle man modern

after the djent phenomenon seems like pickups should sound tighter and scratchier to be even perceived as modern sounding
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2017, 07:31:27 PM »
well, EMG's are from the 80's and they will always sound "modern" to me, cause that only became a popular signature sound after late 90's (although a lot of big bands used them since the 80's)
it's not like the pickup industry did any relevant innovation attempts after the early 80's

riff raffs sound great for modern metal but they do not sound modern by themselves
the miracle man sounds great for a lot of 80's stuff, but it's not an actual 80's sounding pickup like the cold sweat or rebel yell
there are some obvious  combos that just sound exactly like some would expect from an era signature sound
a nailbomb can do great classic rock into a plexi, but it won't sound like early 70's AC/DC like a Riff Raff would
a miracle man into a rectifier or 5150, for example, sounds just like a lot of metal bands from the last decade, like they were made for each other, specially with the most obvious overdrive pedals that just make things better, but also fall into a (good) tone cliché
it doesn't mean it can't do 80's hard rock well in other amps
a cold sweat also sounds modern through a rectifier, but not miracle man modern

after the djent phenomenon seems like pickups should sound tighter and scratchier to be even perceived as modern sounding
I surely agree with this Eric  :smiley:
I'm not really into djent sound that's for sure!
MM seems like a good idea from day one, my only issue and the reason that i'm thinking the Impulse
(apart from the fact that they both have scooped mids) is the last mail i had from Tim in which he told me that:

"In my experience I find that the really high output humbuckers like the WPC reproduce too much bottom end when tuned low in a  LP.
Impulse would be a better option in this respect as it's very much designed for lower tunings. "


So i guess Impulse is:
The most modern, mid scooped, tight bottom end with a DC Resistance: 12.7 kΩ in here!!
I'm afraid that the 17.4 kΩ MM + Tube Screamer => Kemper (Diezel Herbert) would be an untamed beast  :laugh:

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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2017, 08:13:20 PM »

I'm afraid that the 17.4 kΩ MM + Tube Screamer => Kemper (Diezel Herbert) would be an untamed beast  :laugh:
I suppose that amp matters a lot in that manner, but I always run compressor pedal (always on) in front of my amp (not hi gain though... Orange Dual Terror) and my Miracle Man is not flame throwing beast... yes, metal pickup but quite tamed and well behaving :)
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2017, 01:56:45 AM »
To me the Miracle Man and the ceramic Warpig seem like quite different animals.

The Warpig has a ton of bass, more than the MM
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2017, 02:04:18 PM »
the miracle man is quite bassy but definitely not an untamed beast
it's not as high output and some might expect (definitely not as hot and aggressive as a nailbomb, painkiller or ceramic warpig)
and the low end is thumpy, but it doesn't spill all over
it's a pretty focused sounding pickup, specially with a tube screamer
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2017, 07:39:30 AM »
Hello Guys!
An update today..

Talked with Ben and his suggestion was:
"Sounds like you need more definition and a more modern edge. I recommend the Aftermath bridge for bass response and low-end clarity. To pair with that I recommend the Cold Sweat neck for a cleaner and smoother feel."

Love the Cold Sweat in the neck as this would be my choise too!

But i would like to take one step back from Aftermath just for the versatility of things!

So Black Hawk in the bridge sounds like a good idea towards the modern side.
Impulse is a though too!

My only issue and the reason i haven't order one, is that i always like to adjust
my pickup's screws and use them as my first "EQ"  :evil:

This unfortunately can't be done with Black Hawk and Impulse and
i believe that THIS is the main i reason for not being so famous
in the forum among us..

So the question is!!
Which pickup with pole screws is the closest to Black Hawk bridge???  :smiley:

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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2017, 08:38:40 AM »
I don't know, it's strange, I've seen both the Black Hawk and the Miracle Man compared to EMGs, but to me they seem different from one another.
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2017, 12:58:55 PM »
I don't know, it's strange, I've seen both the Black Hawk and the Miracle Man compared to EMGs, but to me they seem different from one another.
Adjusting the pole screws on MM though can somehow give you more tonal options apart from it's main voicing!!

With Black Hawk / Impulse you're stuck with just the overall pickup height!!  :undecided: