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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2019, 04:15:13 PM »
That does sound a bit like the Holy Diver set
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2019, 08:15:12 PM »
What would you suggest then ?

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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2019, 04:57:19 AM »
I really don't know, but it sounds like you want a fairly fat, less hairy alnico 5 pickup in the bridge.  Holy Diver, alnico Black Hawk, Juggernaut, or Crawler are probably your five options. I'm not you and I don't really know what you want.  When in doubt ask BKP
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2019, 01:30:03 PM »
Soundwise, the closest would be the Sound of Alter Bridge Addicted to Pain / Alter Bridge III album...maybe mixed with some Metallica Load/Reload/St. Anger guitar tone.

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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2019, 02:27:28 PM »
Soundwise, the closest would be the Sound of Alter Bridge Addicted to Pain / Alter Bridge III album...maybe mixed with some Metallica Load/Reload/St. Anger guitar tone.

That sounds more like a ceramic nailbomb or miracle man
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2019, 02:56:18 PM »
Hmm, wouldnīt be the MM or ceramic bomb too spikey in high frequencies ? sounds on those albums are rather polished, smooth type of gain. I always find myself gravitate towards smooth amps like BE100, Cameron Atomica and always lowering the high cut to around 5500hz when playing live with band, otwerwise it is not pleasing to our ears (I have no problem cutting through the mix as I always use mid heavy EQ curve).

Very good example of ideal sound would be intro of overdrive guitar from Metallica - Sweet Amber. That sound is huge, fat but not woofy, nice compression with good amount of mids and NO fizz whatsoever but still cutting through the mix. I am using axe ax8 with friedman asm-12 monitors, so I am sure that sound can be usable in a live mix, but anytime I try to approximate to that sound, I find that BD bridge is lacking in that inherent fat sound and compression. Hope that you can understand what I mean by that :)
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2019, 05:14:52 PM »
If you want a fatter, more compressed sound that still has the string separation etc of BKPs with nice top end the main pickup I can think of is the alnico version of the Black Hawk, which I have in my modded Schecter Stiletto 6-FR.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2019, 09:21:47 AM »
Last 2 days I was reading through the whole forum and based on opinion of forum members, it really looks like alnico black hawk could be the one, but would be the Alnico BH set good for les paul ? The neck positions on les paul is very low end heavy, still thinking that I should put in that position something razor sharp to compensate for nature of that position, have no idea what though..
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2019, 09:49:34 AM »
The Impulse neck is a bit brighter and single coil ish than the Black Hawk neck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-5Ysauhjw4

The alnico Black Hawk in many ways is a bigger, throatier sounding version of the Impulse bridge.  On a Gibson I have tended to find that a bridge pickup from a more powerful set than the neck can work well to give a balanced set.  For example in my SG the Cold Sweat neck was a bit much for the CS bridge, but I find that the Miracle Man bridge is a good match for the Cold Sweat neck in that guitar.

If you like the Impulse but want something fatter then the A-Hawk will get you there.  Here's a video of the alnico Black Hawk set:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvoZPM-sVRc

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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2019, 03:49:24 PM »
Hmm, wouldnīt be the MM or ceramic bomb too spikey in high frequencies ? sounds on those albums are rather polished, smooth type of gain.

Definitely ceramics for Metallica and Mark Tremonti's tones
Myles Kennedy live tone sounds more like an Abraxas or Holy Diver job, though

About the Metallica song you mentioned, sounds like they just used less gain and didn't use an overdrive type booster, so things sound rounded instead of the usual sharp and abrasive metal tone
The Miracle Man does have a strong treble response, but only noticeable in the higher strings
The lower strings should sound pretty thick and not raspy like an aftermath or painkiller
The Ragnarok sounds like an option too, but it's even hotter
The Miracle Man isn't overly compressed, cleans up pretty well, has a great split coil tone and has a killer lead tone
 
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2019, 11:18:26 AM »
Hmm, wouldnīt be the MM or ceramic bomb too spikey in high frequencies ? sounds on those albums are rather polished, smooth type of gain.

Definitely ceramics for Metallica and Mark Tremonti's tones
Myles Kennedy live tone sounds more like an Abraxas or Holy Diver job, though

About the Metallica song you mentioned, sounds like they just used less gain and didn't use an overdrive type booster, so things sound rounded instead of the usual sharp and abrasive metal tone
The Miracle Man does have a strong treble response, but only noticeable in the higher strings
The lower strings should sound pretty thick and not raspy like an aftermath or painkiller
The Ragnarok sounds like an option too, but it's even hotter
The Miracle Man isn't overly compressed, cleans up pretty well, has a great split coil tone and has a killer lead tone
 

I saw them live, definitely leaning more towards Myles tone (Mark IV + Diezel Herbert), as I always thought that Marks tone (Recto + Uberschall) is fizzy and nasty, but mixed with Myles somehow works in overall mix.
I am pretty sure Myles is using SD Custom Custom in a bridge.

I am still not sure, somehow I think Holy diver bridge would be better for me, as I need just a bit more output, compression and beef compared to Black Dog Bridge.
Alnico Black hawk looks a bit like overkill, because I like to play Slash style riffs,  80īs hardrock and also a bit frim 70īs VH style riffs.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2019, 02:13:02 PM »
I saw them live, definitely leaning more towards Myles tone (Mark IV + Diezel Herbert), as I always thought that Marks tone (Recto + Uberschall) is fizzy and nasty, but mixed with Myles somehow works in overall mix.
I am pretty sure Myles is using SD Custom Custom in a bridge.

I am still not sure, somehow I think Holy diver bridge would be better for me, as I need just a bit more output, compression and beef compared to Black Dog Bridge.
Alnico Black hawk looks a bit like overkill, because I like to play Slash style riffs,  80īs hardrock and also a bit frim 70īs VH style riffs.

If you're set on that, go for It
The holy diver is an amazing pickup and sounds a lot like the black dog, but more compressed and fluid

Here's a demo of my guitar with the bridge holy diver and neck emerald (not me in the video. He's the builders brother)
https://youtu.be/RPKmizFka2E
https://youtu.be/SHttgk338kQ


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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2019, 03:33:21 PM »
I saw them live, definitely leaning more towards Myles tone (Mark IV + Diezel Herbert), as I always thought that Marks tone (Recto + Uberschall) is fizzy and nasty, but mixed with Myles somehow works in overall mix.
I am pretty sure Myles is using SD Custom Custom in a bridge.

I am still not sure, somehow I think Holy diver bridge would be better for me, as I need just a bit more output, compression and beef compared to Black Dog Bridge.
Alnico Black hawk looks a bit like overkill, because I like to play Slash style riffs,  80īs hardrock and also a bit frim 70īs VH style riffs.

If you're set on that, go for It
The holy diver is an amazing pickup and sounds a lot like the black dog, but more compressed and fluid

Here's a demo of my guitar with the bridge holy diver and neck emerald (not me in the video. He's the builders brother)
https://youtu.be/RPKmizFka2E
https://youtu.be/SHttgk338kQ

Wooow, thatīs badass looking guitar right there /,,/
Ok, so I will ask for HD bridge.
I have at the moment VHII in the neck.
I would need in the neck something like this, rewind please to 3:36 :
https://youtu.be/7T9uzDasXag
What could match output wise the HD and sound similar to neck pup in the video ?
(I’m aware Phils fingers plays big role in his sound but anyway 😃)

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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2019, 04:05:39 PM »
Not sure which BKP neck pickup to recommend here to go with the Holy Diver bridge, but maybe consider the Rebel Yell neck?

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Re: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2017 neck pickup choice
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2019, 04:19:33 PM »
Not sure which BKP neck pickup to recommend here to go with the Holy Diver bridge, but maybe consider the Rebel Yell neck?

Hmm, I’ve read here interesting info that HD neck is brigter in the neck than RY...https://forum.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/index.php?topic=33428.0.. which to me doesn’t make sense as those pups in bridge position works in the exact opposite way, right ?
Based on Stephans info it looks like HD im the neck is quite bright.
Even Brighter and tighter would be HBS90.. for example, Supermassive + HD in the bridge ??
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