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carlaz

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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2006, 03:22:23 PM »
I also think yanking the hotplate, or at least dialing it back, would help along with mucking with amp placement. If you haven't already, try getting it off the floor, not backed against a wall (too much), and get it pointed at your head. :)  Then work those EQs!

Changing your setting (e.g. bedroom to practice room to yet a different practice room to venue, etc.) always makes things sound different (and so, perhaps -- subjectively, at least -- worse).  I would think the amp can cut it, you've just got to mess with it to get it sounding as good as you can in different spaces (since, after all, when you plunk it on stage for that first soundcheck, it will a) sound different again, and b) what you hear on stage won't be what the audience hears anyway, so you have to close your eyes and trust the soundman, which is not always justified but, eh, what choice have you got? ;)).

This is a lot of the reason the darn things have twiddly knobs and dials, after all (I assume).  Otherwise they could just built an amp with "The Tone" and no settings. :)
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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2006, 03:27:52 PM »
If you're set on getting a new speaker I'd go for an Eminence Swamp Thang. It's the thickest sounding speaker I've heard, not including overdriven lower-powered speakers.

Personally I reckon lowering the amp's volume like you suggested will remove some harshness. I'd wait and see how you get on with that first. I don't believe Hotplates 'suck tone' that much, but I do think that as much as everyone goes on about how a pushed valve amp sounds awesome, in my experience not all valve amps are equal - my EL34 Seymour Duncan sounded pretty horrible when cranked into real power-amp overdrive, having a harsh ear-destroying edge just like you say your HRDLx has. Yet my 6L6 Matamp, in typical no-BS fashion, just sounds better the higher the volume!





PS Ratrod I thought Metallica's Justice... sounded bad because there was no bass at all!?
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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2006, 04:01:35 PM »
:D My mate has a HRD he plugs a PodXt through it gets a great sound. He has also swapped the speakers out & put in Vintage 30. Try to borrow a Cab the 4 x 12 sounds ideal Tom the rehearsal studio might insist on you hiring it but give it a go see how you get on with it.

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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2006, 04:09:01 PM »
Yeah well I'm thinking.. even if they wont let me use it "officially" I can still plug into it anyway.. because they leave after one of us from the band arrives there and I dont think theres CCTV that I can see, so it'll be easy enough to plug into the cab!

I'm thinking of getting a V30 installed still but heard from a mate that they are best for dark sounding amps as they are bright speakers.. well my amps allready really bright, and I see V30s being used in marshalls all the time which are known to be bright are they not?

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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2006, 04:25:46 PM »
V30s, in my experience, are not bright speakers, simple as that!
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« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2006, 05:27:34 PM »
Nope - Vintage 30s are very midrange-y and not at all bright (like G12-75Ts).

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« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2006, 06:02:42 PM »
Oh right I might have to save up for one then... but I heard some clips comparing the Behringer Vintage overdrive and Maxon (the ones that indys just posted, that I found on HC) and decided to try the Behringer, as it sounds pretty good. If its shite I guess I can send it back but at £20 it was worth the gamble  :D

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« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2006, 07:52:10 PM »
proves my point fender amps suck balls :P, dude just explain to your dad your unhappy with it and ask if it's ok to trade it in for something else.
he'll understand, thats what dads are for.

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« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2006, 08:25:30 PM »
4 by 12 is a nice idea, but I used to get similar problems with my Strat-Rat-Laney Lc50 rig. I finally solved it by sticking a 1x15 closed back bass cab into the extension speaker jack, and raising both off the floor by a couple of feet.  It took a lot of the fizz out of the tone, and seemed to carry a lot further. Really pissed the drummer off though...
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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2006, 08:25:39 PM »
haha but he wont, hes just not like that. Only my Mum seems to understand, and shes tone deaf aswell  :?

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« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2006, 08:26:17 PM »
Quote from: headtheball
4 by 12 is a nice idea, but I used to get similar problems with my Strat-Rat-Laney Lc50 rig. I finally solved it by sticking a 1x15 closed back bass cab into the extension speaker jack, and raising both off the floor by a couple of feet.  It took a lot of the fizz out of the tone, and seemed to carry a lot further. Really pissed the drummer off though...


I think our drummer gets pissed off enough allready  :lol: boring old fart

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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2006, 08:39:42 PM »
A word in favour of the Hot Rod Deluxe - I've had one for ten years and love it to bits. It currently handles Strat with Apaches, Epi LP with Nailbombs and Custom Fixed neck tele (mahogany/maple) with Mules. I think you need to play with the settings in a band situation, particularly without the Hot Plate. You just shouldn't need it with a 40w Deluxe in a band mix. Start with no effects till you get the tone you want and move from there. I would also have the amp checked in case the tubes are running too cold and need rebiasing, that would definitely contribute to a cr@p sound.  

Incidentally, it was the write up in Guitarist when the Hot Rod first came out that persuaded me to give one a try. They raved about it, a clean sound to die for and plenty of dirt. I played it, I was convinced. I still am. I run a compressor and a Tube Screamer clone into it after setting up the amp to just start breaking up with full volume on the guitar. Wind back guitar volume slightly for clean. I rarely use the drive channels as this setup gives me as much as I need for most occasions.
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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2006, 08:49:48 PM »
The thing is though, I do seem to need the hotplate, its far too loud :? I was gonna replace the valves soon actually with some JJs as I heard they are smoother and nicer..

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« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2006, 09:50:50 PM »
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fender amps suck balls


That's a very big statement mate
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« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2006, 09:52:08 PM »
^haha thats what i was thinking...

this has happened a lot today... weird...