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Guitarzan

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« on: July 25, 2006, 04:31:03 PM »
Hello, again

I don't know if any of you recently read my post on the tech forum, so I'll just fill you in. I recently put together a broken guitar that I have lying around (Washburn WI-24 if you know that model). It is a Maple body with a bolt-on Mahogany Neck. When I put it together, I stuck in a Seymour Duncan JB/'59 set that I replaced with Nailbombs.

On top of some numerous other guitar projects I finally sat down and had some quality time with my 'reborn' guitar. I was suprised to find that the guitar actually has the tone that I have been looking for! While the bridge pickup (the JB) sounds terrible, the neck ('59) Is very, very blues sounding (I play in a sort-of classic rock band, and blues is our main influence). Think along the lines of Slash's guitar tone on Sweet Child o' Mine. Of course that applies until I play chords or power chords, where upon It sounds like a jumbled, muddy mess of Treble, Mids, and Bass.

Now when I compare it to my Schecter (Mahogany body and neck (glue in)), which has the Nailbombs, The tone is quite squenched and lacking the character of the '59. Although it does sound better when played with chords. Testament to the quality of the Pickups.

At first I assumed that it was the capacitor on the tone knob. While the Washburn has a 3-way switch and 4 control knobs, the Schecter has a 5-way and 2 knobs. When I peeked into the bodies of both, I noticed that the capacitor of the Schecter was soldered to a different prong than the Washburns. I also noticed that my grounds were on top of solder and not in contact with the rear of the volume pot.

Could the answer lie in the capacitor position or is it the poor ground? Before I put together the guitar, I loved the tone. Now I am split becuase the '59 has the tone I want, but lacks the clarity of the Nailbomb.

Sorry for the long winded post, and I am not sure if this should go in Tech or not.

Any thoughts would be appriciated, and I'll try to clear things up if you have questions.

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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2006, 04:34:25 PM »
probably should be in Tech, as i got lost about 4 words in


and that usually doesn't happen unless i'm in the Tech forum.....:D
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Guitarzan

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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2006, 04:42:00 PM »
I wasn't sure because this is about the pickups as well as technical.

This is driving me crazy! I love the 'Bombs but now.........
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2006, 04:42:51 PM »
its probably just the wiring, as i can't believe that any SD could hold up to the Nailbombs
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Guitarzan

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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2006, 04:45:50 PM »
Could be the wood as well, because the Nailbombs used to be in the Guitar the the SD's now are in, and they were excessivly bright, while the '59 is darker, so that could account for the brighter tone.

Either way I need to heat up the ol' soldering gun.

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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2006, 07:29:56 PM »
OKay,

So I Resoldered the grounds on the Nailbombs. I forgot to mention that in my last post that there was also a drop in volume between guitars.

Anyways, tested the '59 against the Nailbombs again. And I must say that there was a large improvement in tone after I resoldered the ground. But it was still not what I was looking for tone wise. They're very balenced and great at any modern rock tones. Which is what they are designed for.

I am at a total loss becuase after loving the tone of the Nailbombs so long, to hear the tone that I have been looking for with another guitar. The difference in between the two are that the SD has more bass and makes each individual note sound 'blue' if you know what I mean. I think of it along the lines of Slash's guitar tone on the song Sweet Child o' Mine, but without the chorus.

Is there anything I can to with the wiring to make an effect on the Nailbombs to make them sound more 'blue'? Because right now they are soooo balanced and blend perfectly. I want to make them sound like the SD's becuase they play better rythm. Also, it's just to see if it's possible.

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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2006, 07:56:00 PM »
One hesitates to suggest that a Mule would be more suitable for the 'blue' tones you are after.

However perhaps some judicial playing with your amps setup would get you a little closer to what you desire.

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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2006, 07:58:58 PM »
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One hesitates to suggest that a Mule would be more suitable for the 'blue' tones you are after.

However perhaps some judicial playing with your amps setup would get you a little closer to what you desire.

Rob...


or maybe even a stormy monday if you're after the bluesy sort of tone

try playing with the tone control on your guitar, or dropping the gain right down on the dirty channel
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2006, 08:04:35 PM »
I was going to suggest the Stormy Monday, but the Mule seems to cover most blusey tones well, and lends a bit more flexability to musical styles too.

Guess I spend my life sitting on the fence.

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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2006, 08:05:40 PM »
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I was going to suggest the Stormy Monday, but the Mule seems to cover most blusey tones well, and lends a bit more flexability to musical styles too.

Guess I spend my life sitting on the fence.

Rob...


spose for the slash sound, the Mule is best ... which is probably why i'm gonna put some unpotted Mules in my lovely archtop when i get it....

anyway, back to topic.....
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2006, 08:20:32 PM »
The Nailbomb is too powerful in and of itself to achieve that tone. Try rolling down the volume by half and roll off about a third of the tone and you may find an improvement.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2006, 09:50:11 PM »
The 59 is going to have a sweeter more natural tone than the Nailbomb. Afterall, the 59 is a low powered PAF humbucker and the Nailbomb is...WAAAARRRRR

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2006, 10:14:23 PM »
Suprisingly enough I find that the Nailbomb has some sweet Blues locked up inside of it. When I switched it into a different guitar, that element actually shone out, kinda like the '59 when I rebuilt that guitar.

I just wondered how far the I could stretch the tone, and possibly do some modifications to make it sound 'better' to me.

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spose for the slash sound, the Mule is best ... which is probably why i'm gonna put some unpotted Mules in my lovely archtop when i get it....


I shall get unpotted Mules as soon as I get me a Les Paul, possibly in the next 6 months. One can never have too many guitars you know  :P .

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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2006, 10:39:38 PM »
Try getting the Rothwell cool little knob, it'll bleed off some of that axcess power when you don't want it.
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