AS Levels owned me

[_tom_]

I think you can get paid more purely for the fact that you have a degree... or something like that. Thats what I got told at school anyway, so it might not be true. That being said, I probably wont go as I dont really know what I want to do.

[CaffeineJunkie]

you get more for having 5 years experience than you do for having a degree

[WITH FULL DISTORTION]

ahahahahahah COME ON caffeinne JUNKIE.
stop with the Madness.
you donīt know everything. i thought i knew. but i was completely WRONG.
even in metal, i learn something new every day i catch some cd to learn the songs by hear.
so, stop with the madness. join a $%&#gin University.. even though the subject is : HWO TO MAKE ICE CREAMS IN BRAZIL.
but join the cr@ppy.
you can also come to brazil and study here. it will be WAY CHEAPER.

[CaffeineJunkie]

so who would you rather have in your company?
somebody who's continued in school and has got a degree in computer science or whatever

or somebody who has been out in the world, got a job, done some actual work and has experience??


i know - from experience - that when you get taught something, you don't get taught everything, you get taught the basics, and then you have to go away and learn the rest by yourself

for example, a year ago i went on a course to learn a programming language (VB6)
i learnt enough to be able to put together a basic program (ie a calculator)

now, after a year's working in VB6 alongside my brother, i have enough experience that i am currently working on a full-sized commercial program


so, experience / schooling???




your choice at the end of the day















OK, rant over :)

[Searcher]

the hell i'm going to uni

i'm not paying Ģ14 000 so that somebody can tell me something i already know

Agree 110%.  And I've been to uni (though obviously not for maths).  If you pick a degree in some subjects you get told stuff that is just plain nonsense, let alone stuff you might know already.

[_tom_]

If I were to do a degree course thing I'd probably do Music Production/Technology (recording and stuff apparently), its the only thing I'm really interested in and I guess the skills could be nice to know as I've started doing more home recording now... but I dont know if the course would be useful other than for hobby/leisure use.

[CaffeineJunkie]

a lot of unis now offer combination courses

ie computing and music, where you look into how different harmonics in a wave form produce different sounds, and how variations in our voice determine what emotion we are experiencing etc.

[_tom_]

That just sounds plain boring :lol:

[CaffeineJunkie]

depends how you use it

[38thBeatle]

I have worked with people who have a degree-some are superb, others amaze me that they find their way out of their bedrooms everymorning.

[LuckyJim]

I'm not sure I agree with that point about experience > degree. Sure you might have gained similar expertise in a specified area, but if truth were told I'm not sure you would end up with the same skills in research, training, self discipline and the 'proper way of doing it'.... Whatever 'it' may be :)

Uni is a lot more than just doing the subject content :)

[HTH AMPS]

I think the main reason a degree opens up so many doors is that it proves your ability to manage a high workload while under pressure and deliver results.  It also displays your capacity for learning new processes.  

I agree that job experience is good, but all my mates who went the 'job' route have eventually had to take night classes at Uni through work in order to progress further.

I actually went to Uni when I was young, had a f'in great time and got it all out of the way.  Having a degree never fails to give me opportunities in the workplace that would otherwise be closed to me.  

Lastly, don't even bother going to Uni if you won't stick in - you really NEED a 2:1 to be competitive in the workplace today.  Anything less is a waste of your time and money.  Try to pick a Uni with a good reputation too - the ones that take any old tat are seen as such.

 :twisted:

[HTH AMPS]

If I were to do a degree course thing I'd probably do Music Production/Technology (recording and stuff apparently), its the only thing I'm really interested in and I guess the skills could be nice to know as I've started doing more home recording now... but I dont know if the course would be useful other than for hobby/leisure use.

That is one f'in tough industry to compete in - the number of studios operating in the UK is falling every year.  No longer can you get a job as a tape-op or tea boy and work your way up.  The cream of the crop from sound engineering colleges get the jobs and even then they start on insulting wages for a graduate.

I was into recording from the same time as I started playing guitar (13).  By the time I got to my final year in Uni, having gone through 3 years of sound engineering, I considered myself to be a fairly decent tech and was way ahead of anyone else one my course.  I still wasn't enough - I wrote & phoned every studio I could find with no luck.

I got a loan and had a PA-hire company for two years... long hours, lumping gear into a van at 3am after a DJ set, getting to bed before sunrise sometimes, having to put up with some truely horrific bands when doing front-of-house, working every Fri/Sat/Sun when your mates are on the lash.  I also did some demos out of my rented rehearsal space/lockup/office and got some cracking stuff down with local bands.  At the end of the day, the poor pay, long unsociable hours and uncertainty took it's toll.

Unless you're a one-off and manage to find work in a decent studio you're unlikely to make any sort of career out of it.  That might sound bleak, but it's the harsh reality of the situation.

 :(

[_tom_]

Well.. it sounds cr@p then :lol: I really wish I knew what I wanted to do but theres nothing that seems interesting or exciting enough to spend 4 years of my life working at.

[CaffeineJunkie]

you any good at computers???