Author Topic: Just like to clear something up here + Amp advice. (Read 25935 times)

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #45 on:** August 22, 2006, 12:58:38 PM »

What about the Peavey Valve King? I say that because it's the cheapest option :D

deg0ey · « **Reply #46 on:** August 22, 2006, 04:38:38 PM »

Quote from: JJretroTONEGOD

As for amps, try to look for something much lower than 50 watts, you just dont need 50 watts no-one does, cos you can never have them on full so what's the point? you want an amp that can be cranked without permanantley deafaning you, more like a 20 watt valve, or less, this way it actually uses the power valves and it'll sound much warmer overall. Instead of harsh and grainy

I disagree - I have a 50 watt Engl Screamer, and I can crank it in my house without deafening anyone...It's not necessary for just bedroom playing, but if you're going to gig with it then you can crank it :drink:

Also, are you some Keeley advertiser or something? You seem to recommend them everywhere :lol:

dave_mc · « **Reply #47 on:** August 22, 2006, 04:55:52 PM »

Quote from: JJretroTONEGOD

check out the keeley modded Boss MT2 metal zone pedal, and the Keeley modded Boss DS1 Ultra pedals for amazing thrash tones, it's more about effects and amps in my opinion to get that kind of in your face agressive thrash sound. The Keeley/Boss MT2 twilight zone pedal is extremley versitile.

As for amps, try to look for something much lower than 50 watts, you just dont need 50 watts no-one does, cos you can never have them on full so what's the point? you want an amp that can be cranked without permanantley deafaning you, more like a 20 watt valve, or less, this way it actually uses the power valves and it'll sound much warmer overall. Instead of harsh and grainy

while I agree that you can crank a 20 watter much more easily, I can crank my 100 watt halfstack no bother, and my neighbours are about 20 yards away (if even that)- though I don't share any walls. But assuming you don't, you can crank a high wattage amp fine, as long as you have decent earplugs, and don't want to play it cranked at something daft like 2 in the morning. also, there are very few lower wattage amps aimed at metal tones- most of the 20 and 30 watters are aimed at more vintage tones.

joe: the valveking is a budget amp. it's decent to good for the price, but it won't compete at all with something like a screamer.

deg0ey · « **Reply #48 on:** August 22, 2006, 06:31:24 PM »

Quote from: dave_mc

there are very few lower wattage amps aimed at metal tones- most of the 20 and 30 watters are aimed at more vintage tones.

That's true, and I'd like to see Mr Keeley mod a pedal to make an AC30 become a metal amp :drink: :lol:

downfader · « **Reply #49 on:** August 22, 2006, 07:25:46 PM »

Hmm pedals.. pedals for thrash eh?

I've used Boss DS1, MT2, Mesa VTwin pre, Marshall Guv'nor and a zoom 505 multi fx, all into the clean channel on me Marshall VS65r and managed to get a good late 80s thrash sound. The MT2 I love, as I've gotten Tool, Sepultura and rockabilly sounds out of it (I kid you not) and its not Keeley modded.

Keeley are great, but they tend to vintage/smooth the harmonics on those pedals. Its dead nice on the overdrives, the boosts and the blues pedals, but tbh I dont like what they've done to the distortion fx. :?

Its a contentious subject and everyone has a different view. :lol:

With reference to the Valve King, I've seen a coupla bands on the Guitarist forums who've gotten hold of them and absolutely loved them. One is a death metal kind of band. Now the one thing I will say about this amp is that demand is VERY high and it can be quite hard to get your hands on one to try out. Some are also questioning the fact that its made in china, though I dont know why, as everything is made there thesedays. :lol:

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #50 on:** August 22, 2006, 10:17:04 PM »

The thing is as long as i can get a decent tone out of it, then that is good enough for me, i don't think i'm half as critical as some of the people on this forum, anything will be better than my MG series amp.

I went to the guitar store today, tried an AVT and i got a great vintage thrasy tone out of it, i really don't see why it is so bad.
Saying that i didn't crank it very high, but still it was good sounding to me!

CaffeineJunkie · « **Reply #51 on:** August 22, 2006, 10:18:01 PM »

yeh, the AVT is good at bedroom levels, but i found it just got worse as the master volume got higher

deg0ey · « **Reply #52 on:** August 22, 2006, 10:19:26 PM »

Well, when I was trying amps and I played the AVT I thought it sounded OK...But then at LGS when I tried my Engl and nothing else sounded the same after that - so I went back and bought the Engl :lol:

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #53 on:** August 22, 2006, 10:22:34 PM »

If i can find an Engl cheaper than bloody Machinehead's major rip off of £599 i would probably buy that.

CaffeineJunkie · « **Reply #54 on:** August 22, 2006, 10:23:13 PM »

keep an eye out on eBay

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #55 on:** August 22, 2006, 10:25:49 PM »

Yeah. i was about to look there now, even though i'm not buying an amp yet!

tommyfobia · « **Reply #56 on:** August 23, 2006, 11:53:56 PM »

Quote from: Crazy_Joe

I can save money for a better amp, though i won't be getting it straight away. And i was planning on getting the pups on a later date anyway.
But i wasn't planning on spending much on the amp, my limit at the moment is £450 looking at these tube amps.

My choices at the moment are:

Ashdown FA40 Fallen Angel (40 watt combo) - £449
Marshall DSL 401 (40 watt combo)- £429

There is also the Peavey Valve King 112 (50 watt combo) - £279

But i remeber last time i suggested the Peavey and people said it sucked.

Since you're in the UK, you can get some cracking deals on Tube laney heads as Laney is a british company.

GAK do a gh50 for about £350. You can get a second hand marshall 1936 (2x12) cab for about £100 and you're set!