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dave_mc

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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2006, 06:34:44 PM »
haha, I haven't tried enough BKP's to know much about them (i.e. i tried one, and I didn't know the model), but I do know (as I expected) that it handed a seymour duncan, that I tried head to head with it for comparison purposes, its ass on a plate.

Now, I do agree a lot of it's personal preference.

But I know what mine is- and the fact that I still post here should tell you what that preference is (I will get some, soon!)...

and those gibbo pickups he mentioned are even worse than seymours.

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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2006, 06:39:49 PM »
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Well, it was a coupla days after LGS where I bought Tim's Screamer, and when he sent it out to me, he somehow sent me an Ethos custom, that he'd been fitting Abraxas's to at the same time - I dunno how he managed it, or whether it was the deliery people making a mess of things - but I ended up with the guitar, which was sent back to Tim the same day - after a bit of a fiddle :lol:
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2006, 07:06:19 PM »
I feel quite sorry for that lad.Imagine having a mentality that kinda says
"I went abroad once but I didn't like it".
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2006, 07:36:22 PM »
It always surprises me when people moan about BKP prices.  We're talking about hand-made pickups, so why do people expect prices comparable to mass-produced Duncans or DiMarzios?

BKP fall into the same "bracket" as Fralin, Lollar, Tom Holmes (when they were available) and Joe Barden.  All of those are in a similar price range to BKPs (depending on where you're buying from).  

And as already mentioned, the RRP of Gibsons, Duncans and EMGs aren't far off - yes, you can buy them discounted if you shop around, but that's because they're mass-produced (actually, I just looked on Coda's site and a covered Duncan is now £80!).  A PRS humbucker will cost you £100; a Duncan Antiquity £100+.  What's all the fuss about?
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2006, 08:31:04 PM »
Gibson pickups are DEFINITLEY NOT! as good as Bare Knuckle ones, in fact Bare Knuckles are that good that it'll make any other pickups sound awefull. trust me on this one! I have 100% faith in my pickups now I got the Mule and BKP90, they make the old ones sound absolutley pathetic, almost like the difference from a muddy, cold, plastic tone to a rich, clear, atriculate, WARM and beautifull sound. How can you argue that this is a bad thing???
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2006, 11:24:20 PM »
If you can't hear the difference between seymour duncans and BKPs, you probably shouldn't be voicing your opinions on such matters. You simply don't have good enough ears/experience to be able to offer advice to people.

If people don't want to use BKPs for whatever reason, I don't really care too much. What I hate is when people bitch about a product they haven't tried.
Having said that, I think you would have to be stupid to follow the advice and trust the judgement of someone who hasn't played a BKP.

In my opinion, the guys on that forum are welcome to each others ignorance.

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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2006, 11:27:13 PM »
Was that first sentence aimed at us or them?
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2006, 12:48:43 AM »
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Was that first sentence aimed at us or them?

HA!

I actually laughed out loud upon reading that!!!

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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2006, 01:15:15 AM »
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Was that first sentence aimed at us or them?


I'm sure you guys can all hear the difference between SDs and BKPs... Which is why most of you on this forum are using them.

Sorry, I should have probably made myself clearer in that post.

The whole post was directed toward 'them'.

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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2006, 07:59:01 AM »
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The whole post was directed toward 'them'.


That's alright then :drink:

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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2006, 08:35:58 AM »
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True.  Here in Canada I can get a set of Seymour Duncan or DiMarzio pickups for $120 USD, but BKPs cost me $360 USD--three times the price!  You have to be rich or really dedicated to go for BKPs here.


That may be the case but the SD or DiMarzio isnt hand made, and isn't tweaked to be closer to what you really desire.

As somebody mentioned (sorry I forgot) a single standard SD humbucker is 80 UKP here which translates to $167.99 Canadian (151 USD).

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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2006, 08:57:06 AM »
And with a bit of quick maths, you're paying (for comparison) $180US for a single BKP, we pay £90 - or $170US

So a $10 mark up is not really that bad in the big scheme of things :drink:
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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2006, 09:20:31 AM »
what i also think is that to really appricate BKP you need to live with the "almost there but not quite" sound of factory pickups like DiMarzio etc. for a few years.

another not-quite-so-positive bkp review is here:

http://www.tonymckenzie.com/Bare_knuckle_pickups.htm

although this one is at least a balanced discussion.
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2006, 09:56:57 AM »
"Scatter Winding" (Also called "Random Wrap") - a machine spins the bobbin, and the magnet wire goes through the hands of an operator (named Seymour) who distributes the wire along the bobbin in an intentional scattered or random pattern. All scatter wound pickups are hand wound. Not all hand wound pickups are scatter wound.
Scatter Winding has a few effects on a pickup's tone.
First of all, when you scatter wind a pickup, you’re not placing the wire as close to itself on each layer as you would with a machine. The effect is to create more air space in the coil. This lowers the distributed capacitance. The best way to think of distributed capacitance is like a little tone control in the pickup. When the capacitance is lowered, the result is that more treble will come through and the resonant peak of the pickup will increase slightly.
Secondly, each scatter-wound pickup will sound slightly unique. You can scatter-wind ten pickups with the same wire and number of turns, but each will sound different.

^^
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/glossary.shtml - from the horses mouth.

ooh and guess what service Seymour Duncan offer in there custom shop?
Coil Winding-hand or scatter winding “Call for Quote”

point proven.. scatterwinding is not sales bullshitee, it works it's proven seymour duncan even does it himself and probably would do on every pickup if it didnt cost him 5 million a year in manual labour when he can just pay the electricity bill for a few machines hes probably long paid for.

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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2006, 10:22:10 AM »
In that review, he says "The Pickup's I have tried are too toppy for my liking" .. why wouldnt you just turn down the treble on your amp a bit?