Have a listen to this....

[Bainzy]

"All that mumbo-jumbo with "unevenly hand wound, thus giving clearer highs"-blah and whatnot is just pure bullshitee. Those pups are in no way better or much different than any bog-standard Seymour, DiMarzio or whatever if you look for the right model. And that for less than half the price."

"Gibson makes some of the very best pups out there, the price is not for nothing. Every good pickup is about the same strictly quality-wise, there's just no better. Everything else is either a myth or a simple matter of personal preference."


http://www.kramerforum.com/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=11703

must be from the "I can't see oxygen therefore it does not exist" school of thought....

[genocidal tendencies]

More of the "I'm not contradicting myself if I start a new sentence" school by the look of it...

[OD-Black_Fire]

The funniest part is that its like they hate BKP. All that hate for guitar pickups. Gebus.

[steve]

The funniest part is that its like they hate BKP. All that hate for guitar pickups. Gebus.

Its strange, they have never even heard a BK pickup and they immediatly label it as garbage. Their loss.

[Antag]

FWIW the current exchange rate probably makes BKPs very expensive in the US.

However, he's on crack if he thinks Gibson make decent quality pickups :lol:

(& if "the price is not for nothing" justifies Gibson quality then why doesn't it for BKP?)

[Kilby]

That is a very sad (and hopefully lonely) individual.

Yes Gibson used to make some of the best pickups in the world, around 1958.

Funny enough they where also hand made, scatterwound and had offset winds. Hmm possibly Gibson where onto something there ;)

As for price remind them that there is a 17.5 price reduction from the list price for the absence of VAT.

Hmmm, but two sets of custom duncans I don't think so, even two sets of standard duncans are stretching it a bit even @ US prices

Rob...

[JamesHealey]

i tried a miracle man, steve special, kent armstrong and emg hz in the same guitar recently, i recorded each one i know which sounded better and had better dynamics.. Isnt that all that should count to the individual?

[Muso]

lol another internet argument. My point of view is better than your point of view! arrgghhhhh

[Kilby]

i tried a miracle man, steve special, kent armstrong and emg hz in the same guitar recently, i recorded each one i know which sounded better and had better dynamics.. Isnt that all that should count to the individual?

No why should it when it dosn't agree with my opinion ;)

I think this shows why the BKP forum is such a nice place to be.

Rob...

[Fubar]

All that hate for guitar pickups. Gebus.

Have you tried mentioning EMG on here?    :lol:

[TwilightOdyssey]

All that mumbo-jumbo with "unevenly hand wound, thus giving clearer highs"-blah and whatnot is just pure bullshiteee.

Wrong, with epirical evidence to back it up.

Those pups are in no way a) better

Hmmm ... arguing a something totally subjective with your own subjective/biased  opinion. While 'better' in terms of sonics is defintiely subjective, 'better' in terms of construction is not. So, in that regard, objectively speaking, BKs are better than a mass-produced made-to-cost pickup.

or b) much different than any bog-standard Seymour, DiMarzio or whatever if you look for the right model.

This is essentially correct. There are so many ways you can make a pickup. However, this statement is pretty ignorant! I wonder if this guy feels the same way about everything -- all beers are the same, all cars are the same, all guitars are the same? (Hmm, maybe he's one of those commune-loving hippies? :) )

And that for less than half the price.

Wrong again. Even in the US, a Duncan is more than half the cost of a BK.

Analysis -- This guy is obviously a troll, and on better forums, would be warned and then outright banned for trolling. I'm not entirely sure why this thread was even started, it seems a bit like deliberate whacking of the hornet's nest to me. The original poster's ingorance is staggering, however -- even for the internet!

[Bainzy]

The original poster's ingorance is staggering, however -- even for the internet!

That's why I posted it here - I couldn't be bothered explaining to him or trying to reason with him as I didn't think it would be much use, so I just thought I'd show you guys the ignorance out of curiosity.

[deg0ey]

And they come in all the regular covered and uncovered configurations too.

I'm not going to argue with you people that BKP's sound better than whatever other pickups you care to mention, as, although I believe they do, this is a very subjective matter and it would be wrong of me to try and force my opinions on you.

However, I will tell you categorically that BKP better or equal any other pickup manufacturer you can name on all the little details.

1) They come in 2 or 4 conductor wiring, at no extra cost.

2) They wind the pickups by hand and (whatever _xxx_ decides to tell you) there is a large amount of evidence that this has a positive effect on tone.

3) They source all the old school materials (or make their own if necessary) when they sound better than modern materials, otherwise they use the newer stuff.

4) Tim (yes, the big cheese of BKP) regularly visits the forum to answer questions, and it is common practice with BKP for people to email or PM Tim their tone requirements, and he will take the time to reply, informing you of the best pickup for you.

5) If you have an unconventional winding requirement (over/underwound for example), if you let Tim know, he will do his best to accomodate it.

6) If you would prefer your pickups with a different magnet type or cover to those offered as standard, they are often able to be incorporated (custom ceramic Warpigs are popular of late, and the plastic single coil covers on my Slowhands were able to be chrome plated at no extra charge).

7) Knowledgeable users of BKPs actively participate in the forum, and record sound clips of them to contribute to the site - all to help others with their decision.

And all of these things are offered for (even in the US) less than twice the price of a Seymour Duncan. It is for these reasons and more that there are many satisfied customers of BKP, and most of those customers are trying to finance buying their second set.

The other thing I will point out to you is that there are very few people that have used a Bare Knuckle Pickup that will not agree with me that they are the best sounding pickups they have come across.

I discovered BK Pickups by accident. A custom guitar was delivered to my house by mistake. I had a quick play before I sent it back, and was stunned by how much better it sounded than any of my guitars. I found out it had BK's in, and I swiftly saved up and bought some - and I don't regret it. I'm currently saving for my next set.

Threadstarter: The Miracle Man is a great choice with a tight low end - Shoot a PM or an email Tim's way if you need clarification that it's the right set to get.

Thought I'd let them know what I (we?) think :drink:

[Searcher]

FWIW the current exchange rate probably makes BKPs very expensive in the US.

True.  Here in Canada I can get a set of Seymour Duncan or DiMarzio pickups for $120 USD, but BKPs cost me $360 USD--three times the price!  You have to be rich or really dedicated to go for BKPs here.

Its strange, they have never even head a BK pickup and they immediatly label it as garbage. Their loss.

It's a sad fact that most people are automatically mistrustful of the unfamiliar without bothering to check it out.

[Sifu Ben]

How the hell did you "accidentally" take delivery of a custom guitar?