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Kepu

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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2006, 08:32:55 PM »
yea it was the lead sound I was more after for

hmmm... so now it's kinda narrowed to SM set or SM + Mule set...
if somebody could hit me up with some points for the pros and cons of those pickup sets, I could make my final decision :)

thanks Fourth Feline!
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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2006, 08:50:48 PM »
cons?? these are BKPs, they are perfect ... not helpful i know, but it's true
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Kepu

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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2006, 08:56:34 PM »
haha, well let's say then the differences of the sets :lol:
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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2006, 10:25:29 PM »
Then if it's the lead tone, go for Alnico IV Mules.

It's a classic 'P.A.F' tone he has there,  but the other BKP classics such as Riff Raffs, VH11s black dogs and Emeralds etc. may be a bit too biting/spiky  for your needs. (I like the same sweet rounded quality as you).

The next logical question in my mind is

"can the SM's produce the cream ?".

My only doubt is that Alnico IV magnets in a slightly hotter ( yet still classic) pickup like the Mule definately do. I hear the weaker Alnico II SM can become less focused at high gain, especially in the bass. Not a problem whilst playing Jazz/soul/blues through a sparkly clean amp etc.

As another comparison, look on youtube for Snowy white playing " Bird of Paradise" - as Tim advised another user the SMs would get all that contrast between the very clean chords and the creamy lead. It's just that in a Les paul, I found the SM's where better at the chord voicings, but the Mules hit the lead work better.  

I gather the Mule is voiced around a late 50's PAF, whereas the SM is voiced around the 61/62 era when the S.G. first came in.

I think Guru Tim would be best hearing the clip and giving the definitive comment, but I hope my own observations help in some way.

Being a Semi, I would still opt for the SM's and enjoy the way they maximise the character of THAT PARTICULAR guitar. Borrow a heavy solid body if ever desperate to exactly emulate the lead voice of the video clip you posted. I just think a Semi sounds so good because it is a semi and is not meant to sound like a Les Paul.

If I ever had the pleasure of owning a semi, it would be the SM's into it for me with no doubt and then a third set/type of BKP altogether into the then empty S.G.

Hope that helps more than confuses !

Regards,

Derek.

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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2006, 01:21:15 PM »
WOW just simply wow... was that Bird of Paradise played with SMs?

oh my god... it was... amazing


now I'm very strong on the SM set!!
I'd better email Tim to him to hit the last nail

you've been great help Feline! Thanks! :D
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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2006, 01:38:51 PM »
Hiya Kepu,

The Snowy White clip was not played with Stormy Mondays, but I am sure Tim said SMs would be the closest when asked by another user on the forum. ( please check this with Tim, he may suggest a SM set with a stronger magnet such as an Alnico IV instead of the usual Alnico II).

 The chordal intro is DEFINATELY what I heard when the SMs where in my Les Paul, but I never wound up the gain to test if the lead tone was as authentic as Snowy's.  Snowy plays Vox AC30's which I gather change tonality past 5 on the pre amp anyway. The pickups Snowy used were the original Gibson 1957 PAF's that came with it when he bought the guitar later in the sixties.

I just love the SMs personaly, but genuinely want you to get the right thing for you, especially bearing in mind that a Semi-hollow bodied guitar will sound more 'vocal' and hollowed out in the mid range than any Les Paul.
(The Les Paul does weigh a ton !)

On a social note; if you enjoyed that clip, check out Gregor Hilden (also on youtube) playing "blues instrumental using '59 Les Paul".

Let me know what Tim says after seeing Snowy and how you get on.

Hope this message reaches you in time !

Warm regards,

Derek.

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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2006, 01:54:01 PM »
alright, thanks for the addition!
I was just writing the email to Tim, so let's see what he has to add to this :)

and that Gregor Hilden clip was just awesome
thank you again!
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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2006, 12:48:39 PM »
sorry for double posting but...

Tim replied that the SM set is nearly always the best choice...
he also mentioned that Mule in the bridge would have more hotter tone for more rockier stuff
but also Mississippi Queen in neck would be good for sustaining/fluid solos but would have good clean tone too

so... either SM set or Mule into bridge, but at the same time I'm very tempted to try P90...
pretty likely I'll go with SM in bridge and Mississippi Queen into neck
I'll decide later when I have enough money to buy them :)

Thanks very much for the help all of you!! :D
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