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« on: August 27, 2006, 12:29:50 PM »
Hi all,

Although I had posted many clips by my BlackDogged Epiphone before, some asked to hear clips from the Bogner.
I don't have an SM57 or outboard compressors and the extreme dynamics of the Siva make it difficult to record, I also couldn't crank it. So this shows maybe only 50% of the harmonic richness of the real tone being there in the room. Especially the extreme 3D-ness of the cleans doesn't come across very well.

Still gives an idea of what kind of tone the BDs and the Bogner do.
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2006, 12:41:01 PM »
If thats only 50% of what its capable of then it must sound perfect actually playing it! This clip is much better than the ones on the Bogner site imho.

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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2006, 12:44:09 PM »
Quote from: _tom_
This clip is much better than the ones on the Bogner site imho.


Thanks man, but there's a simple reason: Those dudes in California haven't heard of BareKnuckles yet, that's why  :D
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2006, 02:19:08 PM »
Hmmmm :) :oops:
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2006, 02:57:32 PM »
I love the Bogner sound! Woody and rich, especially with the Black Dogs. Nice! 8)

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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2006, 11:27:39 PM »
I like the RMC3 wha, I also use it, it rips through anything! nice clips and pictures
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2006, 07:39:00 AM »
Loved it-as Tom says, if that is 50% of what you actually hear, it must be great. T'would be great for swampy blues and slide.
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2006, 06:55:57 AM »
Here's another one, floyd inspired clip. Pity I can't turn it up. This was recorded at conversation level in order not to wake up my gf over in the bedroom :)

Finally got an SM57, but need to wait for an occasion to crank the bogey to provide some more authentic clips.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2006, 07:15:03 AM »
This is same setting as before (too low master to sound awesome but already nice) I play around with the guitar volume to show how nicely the black dogs clean up - this would be even more impressive at a decent amp level as dynamics kick in more.

So no sound switching here, this is Shiva Ch2 with boost on and a guitar's volume poti.
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2006, 12:51:52 PM »
It's simply.... huge!  :twisted:

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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2006, 06:47:52 PM »
Hi cool clip I take it that amp isn't cheap :)

On the dirty part how much gain are you using?

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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2006, 08:40:40 PM »
No that amp isn't cheap. It's roundabout 2,200 EUR the head without Reverb. Reverb is 380 EUR and is switchable and amount can be adjusted by channel. Combo is another few hundred bucks.
But this might be the last amp of my life, so worth the money.
By the way, there are amps that easily cost twice its price. There are even people that pay that kind of money for a night in a hotel :D

The gain is around 3/4 on the dirty channel. It's not a high gain/metal amp, but it can do well RATM or Early Metallica well.

Basically Ch1 gives you a most awesome super responsive and gnarly Blackface-ish tone, Ch2 gives you the best of Marshall with a 60s voice but more gain and body.

None of the other amps I tested had close as much tone. I used to dig my Engl Screamer (and still do as it plays so easy) but if you A/B the Engl and the Bogner, it's like the Engl is in a different room, so much less present and authoritative it sounds.

You do get more features from other manufacturers at this price tag (e.g. Diezel VH4 is just 500 EUR more than the Shiva Reverb model), but you won't get more tone. And then also the more elements you have on an amp, the more you need to manage, which can be annoying esp. live ...
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Re: Black Dogs / Epiphone Les Paul / Bogner Shiva
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2006, 02:55:57 AM »
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Hi all,

Although I had posted many clips by my BlackDogged Epiphone before, some asked to hear clips from the Bogner.
I don't have an SM57 or outboard compressors and the extreme dynamics of the Siva make it difficult to record, I also couldn't crank it. So this shows maybe only 50% of the harmonic richness of the real tone being there in the room. Especially the extreme 3D-ness of the cleans doesn't come across very well.

Still gives an idea of what kind of tone the BDs and the Bogner do.


Hey Christoph!

The clip sounds great.  I can't seem to get used to LP's, but I really like the sound of them through the Shiva and the Ecstasy.

Nice work!

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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2006, 02:57:06 AM »
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Quote from: _tom_
This clip is much better than the ones on the Bogner site imho.


Thanks man, but there's a simple reason: Those dudes in California haven't heard of BareKnuckles yet, that's why  :D


Hey now!!!!

Send me some.  I need an HSH configuration.   :twisted:

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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2006, 05:10:28 AM »
Haha, welcome to BKP Bob. It's good to have some famous people around !!!

 8)

Gotta be about time you order some RebelYells and spread the news in CA, so the guys there can learn a bit about what Europe has to offer ...

Thanks again for providing your great advise and recommendations while I was amp hunting !!
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