Author Topic: Metallica - ...And Justice For All (Read 7564 times)

Crazy_Joe · « **on:** August 28, 2006, 04:01:38 PM »

Do i suck at guitar? Or are the tracks on this album hard to learn!

I tried to learn Blackened but then i got bored with it in a few minutes

Also i though One would be the easiest track, i did alright until i got bored of that too.

And Justice was alright.

Thats all i half learned because there are some very tricky riffs in there and it is pissing me off haha!

Someone say they had trouble with some of these tracks so it doesn't make me feel as if i suck!

Fubar · « **Reply #1 on:** August 28, 2006, 04:08:09 PM »

I did have trouble with them, I was 13 at the time tho.

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #2 on:** August 28, 2006, 04:38:53 PM »

Well i'm 16 and have been playing for about a year.

Fubar · « **Reply #3 on:** August 28, 2006, 04:54:21 PM »

Sorry, was taking the piss

It is fair to say that Hammett does play some quite intricate solos that take a while to get the hang of, you've gotta be a bit obsessive to really nail them note for note. Also, keeping up with a lot of even the rhythm work can be quite hard work, to play like hetfield takes some serious precision and a lot of attention to detail, on a slightly different note: If you wannalearn to play with a bit of a groove to your style, you'd do well to really pay attention to how hetfield plays on the black album. :)

chrisola · « **Reply #4 on:** August 28, 2006, 05:02:18 PM »

Justice has some of the best rhythm guitar playing EVER by Hetfield (and indeed, in thrash in general imho)

Dont be disheartened!

Remember, it wasnt until late last year\this year that metallica managed to re learn and play 'Dyers Eve' live... now THATS a track.

Dakine is the Metallica expert, but i'm pretty sure they went all out to make the playing 'perfect' and did lots of chopping and pasting with different takes etc to get it like that.

Hammett does some great soloing aswell..

Skybone · « **Reply #5 on:** August 28, 2006, 05:05:38 PM »

An underrated album definitely.

It was difficult for the old fans to get used to the fact that Cliff was no longer holding down the low end...

Cliff 'em all... RIP Cliff.

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #6 on:** August 28, 2006, 05:19:35 PM »

Yeah this is definatley Metallica at their musical peak, i don't think they can play many of the songs from there anymore, they only ever play One live.
I read somewhere that after they played Justice once back in the day one of them said, $%&# that we're never playing that song again!

Dakine · « **Reply #7 on:** August 29, 2006, 12:14:54 AM »

They have also matured (in some case had therapy) alot.
What I mean is (on record) Jason was basically 'mixed out' of AJFA. This created a very Bass Light work. After all the hazing and subsequent leaving of Jason, I am sure some embarressment (actually documented again) by the other members abounds.
Hetfield is also famous for a FANATICAL regard to his tone and spends days to weeks perfecting the right sound before the band turn up and any recording is done.
Personally, I think the 'now' embarressment of what they did to Jason is main factor in reluctance to play stuff from that particular album.

Dakine · « **Reply #8 on:** August 29, 2006, 12:54:24 AM »

Quote from: Dakine

They have also matured (in some case had therapy) alot.
What I mean is (on record) Jason was basically 'mixed out' of AJFA. This created a very Bass Light work. After all the hazing and subsequent leaving of Jason, I am sure some embarressment (actually documented again) by the other members abounds.
Hetfield is also famous for a FANATICAL regard to his tone and spends days to weeks perfecting the right sound before the band turn up and any recording is done.
Personally, I think the 'now' embarressment of what they did to Jason is main factor in reluctance to play stuff from that particular album.

Also, on record, Kirk says they are unhappy with their guitar sound?!?!, saying it is too dry. Trying to mix MOP with Garage days, and to them, failing.

gingataff · « **Reply #9 on:** August 29, 2006, 02:02:36 AM »

I read an interview with Hetfield where he said they layered something like 70 tracks of guitar to make it sound super heavy and it ended up sounding like 1 guitar! A bit of overkill.

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #10 on:** August 29, 2006, 11:33:31 AM »

One of my favourite parts of music ever has to be that harmonised section just before the solo in Blackened, it sounds amazing!

HTH AMPS · « **Reply #11 on:** August 29, 2006, 11:43:20 PM »

Justice is awesome, my fave Metallica tones on record after the original Garage Days re-revisted EP.

The songs on Justice ARE very technical, I'd be inclined to get the tab and save yourself some time - some of the riffs are nothing like they sound as well. I got the tab book for 'Puppets and there were even more notes crammed into some of those riffs than I'd first thought :o

Leper Messiah, now THAT is a riff (omg!!!)

:twisted:

Davey · « **Reply #12 on:** August 30, 2006, 08:20:43 PM »

the low end on that album is absolutely $%&#ed up.

they tried to make it sound huge, but if you listen to the chugging, you'll hear that the bass is TOO big.

very cool riffage though. i gotta go and re-play it one of these days.

JamesHealey · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2006, 09:47:55 AM »

Thing is Justice was simplified coz Hammett and Lars couldnt keep up with hetfields riffing he was writing loads of sections in odd times and using lots of syncopation..

Metallica also believe this was there weakest album, which i honestly dont agree with St.Anger is haha.

But yea don't be disheartend by the Fact you cant play some of this album i'll tell u now the harder parts are Hetfields riffs not Hammetts leads. or atleast thats what I think.

deg0ey · « **Reply #14 on:** September 01, 2006, 10:33:34 AM »

I agree with St Anger being a sorry day in all Metallica fan's lives - and no way was AJFA as bad as that...

Having said that, Frantic was quite a catchy song :P had it stuck in my head for a while when I first heard it.