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BKP Equivalent to the Dimarzio X2N
« on: September 16, 2006, 04:54:31 PM »
Dimarzio X2N

Magnet: Ceramic
Output: 510
DC Resistance: 15.8

Treble ------ 6.5
Mids     -------- 6.5
Bass   ------ 5.5

I'm guessing the Miracle Man since it is a ceramic magnet.
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2006, 06:42:02 PM »
Looking at those numbers I'd say the output & eq are actually closer to a Nailbomb but it's not ceramic & I doubt the MM would disappoint :)

However I've never owned a guitar with an X2N so YMMV...

Didn't Chuck Schulinder use an X2N in his BC Rich Stealth?
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2006, 06:48:55 PM »
Neither sound exactly like the X2N

the X2N had 3 ceramic magnets and tended to overload the front end of amps - some say it has a slightly choked sound

The Miracle man will maybe have the cut due to the ceramic magnet but be a lot more tuneful and vintage influenced than the X2N

Soundwise in my experience - the Nailbomb isnt that close - much beefier and more rounded in tone. May be the magnet difference....

I do find it amusing that no matter what pickup people ask for similarities to - somebody always pipes in with Nailbomb.
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2006, 06:49:40 PM »
It looks like it will have similar characteristics to the Miracle Man but the EQ screams Nailbomb.

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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2006, 07:13:50 PM »
Quote from: FELINEGUITARS
I do find it amusing that no matter what pickup people ask for similarities to - somebody always pipes in with Nailbomb. It must have it's own fanclub on here (or maybe a secret Max Cavalera fan club instead)


:lol:

My default BKP to recommend (& probably my favourite) is the Holy Diver but even I couldn't contrive to make it fit the bill here! :)
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2006, 08:10:28 PM »
Chuck did have an X2N in his guitar, and i think Michael Romeo used to use one, or something like that.
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2006, 11:06:27 PM »
Quote from: Crazy_Joe
Chuck did have an X2N in his guitar, and i think Michael Romeo used to use one, or something like that.


Mike still does use that in the bridge of his ESPs.  He uses a Tone Zone in the neck.  I used to be "Keeper of the FAQ" for the Symphony X mailing list a few years ago... so this question came up quite a few times.  Prior to switching to the passive DiMarzios, he was an EMG guy with his Triaxis.  Once he made the move to Line 6 Pod Pro's and Vetta heads for the live stuff, he ditched the EMGs.

Hope that helps.

Regs,
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2006, 12:59:39 AM »
If you want a pickup that sounds like ______

Just get the ______ pickup :)

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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2006, 01:39:25 PM »
Thankfully BKP doesn't make anything like the X2N. I've heard one or two and didn't like it one bit. The goal of that pickup is to get a totally insane flatout sound.

BKP does make a pickup with that same purpose: The Custom (ceramic) Warpig. :twisted:
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2006, 03:31:38 PM »
^  :twisted:
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2006, 04:18:16 PM »
Hey Dakine,

Just wanted to ask where in Tex-ass you are located.  I'm in a little 'burb of Houston.

Related to the BKPs in question, did I miss the description of the tone curves associated with each of the BKP's on the main product site, or is it just not there.  I realize that assigning an arbitrary number like DiMarzio and SD do might be somewhat a load of ca-ca, but at least to get a relative comparison of each BKP it might be somewhat helpful.  I might have missed some posts on this very subjest since I'm a fairly new member here.  If so, I apologize and please just direct me to the search function with a nice literal slap to the head.  :)

Thanks,
Jeff

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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2006, 05:34:25 PM »
There arent any tone charts at the moment. What we know is from the experience of the forum members and the BKP guys (Tim and Steve) describing them.

There are tone charts and clips planned for the new site. I asked Tim about it when I ordered a pickup a little while ago: they have soundclips of all the pickups ready to go (the humbuckers at least in the same guitar, same amp same settings so the clips are actually usefull!) and Tim nad the engineer made some notes on the EQ differences between the pickups for tone charts.

I would say that this will still be useless for comparison with what duncan and dimarzion have made independantly, because theres no common refference, and the sound of a pickup changes from guitar to guitar, amp to amp, ear to ear, even. They may all be 'right' on the day they were made: a perfectly fair comaparison, but you cant compare two lots of relative descriptions, if you see what I mean.

And after moving BKs around some of my guitars I've found that they are very transparent indeed: they let more of the guitars soung through than anything else I've used, and sound very different in different woods.

All told, I found the expereince of other people that have used the pickups in question is more helpfull than just a set of numbers someone near as damnit pulled out of thin air, especially comparing between brands.

On that note, I'd say the X2N is closest to the miracle man, but its more like an early-teenage miracle man in kappa trackies and high on crack. Its got much more gain and can have a bit too much of a hard edge ot the tone thats difficult to control.

Apologies for the long post. I sincerely hope no one read it, its not worth it (its a particularly boring sunday afternoon in MDV land).

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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2006, 05:38:35 PM »
Quote from: SliderJeff
Hey Dakine,

Just wanted to ask where in Tex-ass you are located.  I'm in a little 'burb of Houston.

Related to the BKPs in question, did I miss the description of the tone curves associated with each of the BKP's on the main product site, or is it just not there.  I realize that assigning an arbitrary number like DiMarzio and SD do might be somewhat a load of ca-ca, but at least to get a relative comparison of each BKP it might be somewhat helpful.  I might have missed some posts on this very subjest since I'm a fairly new member here.  If so, I apologize and please just direct me to the search function with a nice literal slap to the head.  :)

Thanks,
Jeff


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Well, in Wiltshire right now and missus will be moving over soon then sell the house.
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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2006, 06:40:38 PM »
No worries.  Thanks for the feedback.  The thing I hate the most about being new to a forum is knowing if a particular subject has been "a horse beat into a fine paste" in previous threads.  Sometimes the search engine helps... more often than not it doesn't.  I appreciate the response.  Like I said, I don't plan on comparing BKP pickup A to SD or DiMarzio pickup B, as it's meaningless from a tone chart comparison.  But at least for a reference of one BKP to another, I think it'll be helpful and I am glad Tim and gang have plans to do so.  

Thanks again,
Jeff


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There arent any tone charts at the moment. What we know is from the experience of the forum members and the BKP guys (Tim and Steve) describing them.

There are tone charts and clips planned for the new site. I asked Tim about it when I ordered a pickup a little while ago: they have soundclips of all the pickups ready to go (the humbuckers at least in the same guitar, same amp same settings so the clips are actually usefull!) and Tim nad the engineer made some notes on the EQ differences between the pickups for tone charts.

I would say that this will still be useless for comparison with what duncan and dimarzion have made independantly, because theres no common refference, and the sound of a pickup changes from guitar to guitar, amp to amp, ear to ear, even. They may all be 'right' on the day they were made: a perfectly fair comaparison, but you cant compare two lots of relative descriptions, if you see what I mean.

And after moving BKs around some of my guitars I've found that they are very transparent indeed: they let more of the guitars soung through than anything else I've used, and sound very different in different woods.

All told, I found the expereince of other people that have used the pickups in question is more helpfull than just a set of numbers someone near as damnit pulled out of thin air, especially comparing between brands.

On that note, I'd say the X2N is closest to the miracle man, but its more like an early-teenage miracle man in kappa trackies and high on crack. Its got much more gain and can have a bit too much of a hard edge ot the tone thats difficult to control.

Apologies for the long post. I sincerely hope no one read it, its not worth it (its a particularly boring sunday afternoon in MDV land).

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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2006, 06:42:05 PM »
Gotcha, Dakine.  Not too horribly far from me.  I'm about due South of there, between SugarLand and PearLand.  Hope the move goes well, mate.

Cheers,
Jeff



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Jeff,
Conroe (50 miles north).
Well, in Wiltshire right now and missus will be moving over soon then sell the house.
Nick