Author Topic: Engl Screamer 50 users... (Read 17791 times)

fps_dean · « **Reply #15 on:** September 19, 2006, 07:38:57 AM »

Quote from: dave_mc

^ i haven't owned one, but I've tried one several times. I'll get the ball rolling, but obviously listen more to the guys who actually own one.

1) it has plenty of gain. perhaps more than a recto, in terms of pure gain. the rectos, though, have a lot of lower mids, which tend to make it sound "heavy", without the need for as much gain- the engls are a bit brighter in tone- think megadeth tone, as opposed to mesa, which is more of a modern metallica tone.

2) it's a compromise. not as much as you'd expect, since each channel is voiced individually, but there's not doubt, there's a little compromise there.

I'd look into a genz benz el diablo too (in addition to the screamer, and perhaps a mesa f30), they're all roughly in similar price bands. of course, if you can't get to try them...

:drink:

Well said.

Antag · « **Reply #16 on:** September 19, 2006, 10:34:59 AM »

Thanks for the replies - some really useful stuff here.

Sounds like I will be able to cover clean/crunch reasonably well & still get mega gain. To hell with it, I'm gonna buy one :D

I'm not getting rid of my Mesa, so will always be able to go back to it if I want a different high gain sound to the Engl.

If space, money, neighbours & travel weren't an issue I'd get a VHT Ultralead or H&K Triamp or one of the bigger Engls (Powerball or Savage) & a 4x12" cab. There's always the option of a new Dual Rectifier but I don't want to have another amp with the same high gain sound - even if it will cover the clean & crunch sound I also want. The point is to have something a bit different :)

Dakine · « **Reply #17 on:** September 19, 2006, 10:38:32 AM »

Cool,
glad ya got some help.

We can start an ENGL/Mesa club :twisted:

Fired the ENGL up today (it was pouting since Mesa arrived) and we have renewed our friendship. The EQ pedal (IMO) makes ALL the difference. Now it's almost a coin toss to which one gets played :)

So, go on 'make your day', get a Screamer :twisted:

dave_mc · « **Reply #18 on:** September 19, 2006, 09:06:34 PM »

Quote from: Dakine

Or don't fanny about at all and just get a Blackmore :twisted:

that's what I'd probably go for too, in that situation. I haven't tried the blackmore, but going by what I've heard, and the engls I have tried, I'd say the blackmore might be a little better- a little more organic.

assuming you aren't willing to fork out for a savage/se... (which you presumably aren't, if you aren't willing to fork out for a powerball)

the powerball, basically, is a much more metal-orientated amp. both channels 3 and 4 will do modern, extreme metal easily. almost too easily, to the point where it's a struggle to get channels 3 and 4 to do anything other than metal (but then i'm a kind of 30% metalhead- and most of the metal in that metalhead is stuff like megadeth and iron maiden).

EDIT:

Quote from: fps_dean

Well said.

:drink:

oh, and nick- you should look into getting some way of plugging into both the engl and mesa at the same time- that'd own. \m/

Dakine · « **Reply #19 on:** September 19, 2006, 10:01:42 PM »

oh, and nick- you should look into getting some way of plugging into both the engl and mesa at the same time- that'd own. \m/[/quote]

Ok head spinning now.

Dave I am over 30yo mate, how do I put it into both at once?

Indeed I have 2 'amps of brewtality' along with pups of brewtality. Thing is with all this testosterone the things are kinda scaring me these days. I swear they growl at me on 'standby' :)

SliderJeff · « **Reply #20 on:** September 19, 2006, 10:07:33 PM »

You could look into a high quality buffer/signal splitter and use that. I think the Bradshaw units get high praise (though they are UBEr expensive) as well as the stuff from Mario at Axess Electronics: http://www.axess-electronics.com/products/bs2.html

Quality stuff and Mario is a quality guy.

Regs,
Jeff

MDV · « **Reply #21 on:** September 19, 2006, 10:08:44 PM »

Looks like you'll be enjoying a screamer very soon, Jeff!

Hope you like it!

Dakine:

On the two amps thing

I also own a TSL602 with JJs that has a medium-high gain, dark, tight, very throaty sound. I occasionally play that with the screamer using the wet and dry outs of my wammy together. They complement each other perfectly. What the screamer lacks in dark growl, the marshall supplies, what the marshall lacks in clarity, lows and highs the screamer supplies. The single best tone I've ever played with! Ultra-thick, ultra heavy, still clear :twisted: :twisted:

Dakine · « **Reply #22 on:** September 19, 2006, 10:09:38 PM »

Jeez, so having left Texas ya now want me ejected from the UK too for making noise!
Sheesh, running outta countries here LOL.

Seriously, thanks Jeff/Dave but sounds all abit 'pro' to me right now. I am just happy to flip coins and play one at a time.

Dakine · « **Reply #23 on:** September 19, 2006, 10:11:40 PM »

Quote from: MDV

Looks like you'll be enjoying a screamer very soon, Jeff!

Hope you like it!

Dakine:

On the two amps thing

I also own a TSL602 with JJs that has a medium-high gain, dark, tight, very throaty sound. I occasionally play that with the screamer using the wet and dry outs of my wammy together. They complement each other perfectly. What the screamer lacks in dark growl, the marshall supplies, what the marshall lacks in clarity, lows and highs the screamer supplies. The single best tone I've ever played with! Ultra-thick, ultra heavy, still clear :twisted: :twisted:

Hmm, more to this than meets the eye then.
However, I still think I will need a crayon drawing in different colors to get to grips with this.
Although I am now INTERESTED! :twisted:
If either would like to elaborate (in more simplistic terms LOL) please tell (or PM me).
Nick

SliderJeff · « **Reply #24 on:** September 19, 2006, 10:20:10 PM »

It's not as bad as it sounds. If you take a peek at the PDF user manual for the BS2 in the link I sent you above, direct your eyes to the upper right part of the file on page 2. Pretty much you can split the signal 3 ways.

MAIN OUT: Connected to the input of one amp or pedal

ISO'D OUT: Connected to the input of the second amp, effect pedal feeding a second amp or the input of a tuner to prevernt a ground loop.

SPLIT OUT: Connected directly (in parallel) to the MAIN OUT. use this jack whenever a transformer isolated signal is not necessary, such as when feeding the input of a pedal and/or some tuners.

Hope that helps.

Regs,
Jeff

MDV · « **Reply #25 on:** September 19, 2006, 10:21:34 PM »

Nothing to it mate.

Plug your guitar into whatever you normally plug into, then into some king of signal splitter with two outputs. It gives the same output for both signals: plug one into each amp.

I just found it by chance really: I was after a signal splitter for the job, and got a wammy down the line. It has a wet out that has the effect in it, and a dry for tuners and what have you. I just dont use the effect some both are dry.

A mesa and an engl like this should redefine "OWNS" :twisted:

Dakine · « **Reply #26 on:** September 19, 2006, 10:21:45 PM »

hmmmmmmm, but costly you say (as in part), whats this bout a wammy doing it?

SliderJeff · « **Reply #27 on:** September 19, 2006, 10:26:55 PM »

well, the BS2 from Axess is $135 US.. I'm guessing the translates to around 75 - 80 pounds or so. Unless shipping is exorbitant. Yikes.. it is. International shipping is another $60 US. Damn.. nearly half the price of the unit. So it looks like about a 100 pounds or so, give or take. There might be cheaper alternatives... it's the isolation circuit that you are really paying for with this product.

Regs,
Jeff

MDV · « **Reply #28 on:** September 19, 2006, 10:30:53 PM »

Vs wammy doing it as a bonus to having a wammy. Thick end of 200 quid.

I'm not sure just any wammy will, though. Its got to have a wet and a dry output.

Dakine · « **Reply #29 on:** September 19, 2006, 11:10:14 PM »

hmmmmmmmm, still have a Boss GT8 , a ZOOm MRS8 kicking about. Will have to look in back.

Maybe the Boss, it's got left and right and all sortsa stuff ROFLMAO

think have a chance?

Hmmm, ENGL+Mesa+Warpig= Jail? :twisted: