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Dakine

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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2006, 09:52:06 PM »
jamlab has NO phantom power again.
For Dynamic or condensor mics you need Phantom Power!
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2006, 09:53:32 PM »
Oh right, at the minute all I have is a laptop with stock soundcard :lol:

Wouldnt the behringer thing I posted the link to power the mic though? Seems to be its job but as I'm new to this I'm probably wrong..

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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2006, 09:54:51 PM »
yep, it will power the mic but what are you going into then? I am not up on this v-amp thing, what is it?
Scrub that, looked, like a behringer pod thing
Hmmm, dunno it's connections.
You need/wanna save cash I know, but simplest way is that mic-interface-usb/pc way imo.
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2006, 09:57:27 PM »
Ah, well. Its just a basic amp modeller/preamp. Has a model called Tube Preamp I was thinking I could use with a flat EQ. So long as you can get an adaptor to go from XLR to 1/4" jack I dont think thered be a problem with using that?

Would probably be either that or straight into soundcard after the power thing depending on the results..

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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2006, 09:57:37 PM »
What about this then?

guitar => amp => SM-57 => Behringer phantom power => M-Audio Jam Lab (or V-Amp) => PC (with Audacity)

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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2006, 10:00:13 PM »
Quote from: Twinfan
What about this then?

guitar => amp => SM-57 => Behringer phantom power => M-Audio Jam Lab => PC (with Audacity)



WHY?
The more connections in the chain the worse for signal.
Sure if you can find a cheap phantom power and cheap jamlab but usb/interfaces are so common and on ebay alot, why make it more difficult?
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2006, 10:01:14 PM »
Fair dos - I'm just guessing at this as I know about as much as Tom!

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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2006, 10:02:03 PM »
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Ah, well. Its just a basic amp modeller/preamp. Has a model called Tube Preamp I was thinking I could use with a flat EQ. So long as you can get an adaptor to go from XLR to 1/4" jack I dont think thered be a problem with using that?

Would probably be either that or straight into soundcard after the power thing depending on the results..


I am not familiar with the vamp so don't wanna comment really, although the more connections you have the worse for signal. Also, in my experience laptops do NOT have very good soundcards. I still say, if at all poss. a standalone interface would be best bet. There is even M-Audio one on evilbay for bout £50 bin or best offer.
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2006, 10:03:59 PM »
I would wager, if abit canny, i.e. patient and lucky ;) (you hav'nt got the head yet anyway :)) you could get an interface and a dynamic mic for less than £100 all in (maybe cable too).
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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2006, 10:07:22 PM »
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I am not familiar with the vamp so don't wanna comment really, although the more connections you have the worse for signal. Also, in my experience laptops do NOT have very good soundcards. I still say, if at all poss. a standalone interface would be best bet. There is even M-Audio one on evilbay for bout £50 bin or best offer.


Could I use the M-Audio Fast track USB interface as my soundcard as well? Looks like it, just want to be sure. If so I'll probably try getting one of those sometime. I have money in the bank but yeah I need to put some towards my head first  :lol: Just like to plan for the future and all that :P

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« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2006, 11:00:33 PM »
indeed, the m-audio,tascam,emu etc. interfaces are being used as the soundcard.
Mic to interface to usb/firewire to recording program (audacity,cakewalk,ableton etc. etc,).
Not the only choice but imo the simplest and not overly expensive if bide ya time and 'strike' when see a deal ;)
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« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2006, 11:05:46 PM »
I'll probably save up for one of those and an SM57 after getting my new head then :D Cheers for the help

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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2006, 01:37:46 PM »
At the risk of confusing the issue, you do not need phantom power for dynamic mics such as the SM 57, only condensory mics and ribbon mics (I strongly suspect you won't be after the latter as they start at about £500 and aren't an obvious option for mic-ing guitar cabs). You will need some form of pre-amp though.

You can pick up cheap mixers at the £60 mark, but you get exactly what you pay for.

I believe Samson do a USB mic that won't require a pre-amp or phantom power supply.

Getting into recording is a dangerous business, as it can swallow more money than you ever dreamed of. Be careful tom ;)

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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2006, 02:43:10 PM »
^ quite right 'rahnoo', what I should have eluded to (was trying to be a little non-technical) is an interface acts for the mic with eq/gain structure etc. which I would doubt a pc card would cater for adaquietly, and also xlr input with fewer (hopefully no) adaptors.
I would still maintain getting some sort of interface for a mic like a shure to make things simpler with connections and be more assured that the mic is then able to convey the spectrum of sound you want to record.
Mics and recording can obviously get VERY costly, but a simple enough setup has/is used often with not bad results.
With your setup 'as is' _tom_ you can try and utilise the v-amp etc. with all kinds of hookups (I am not too familiar with the v-amp) but may encounter some sound degridation or 'colouring' by going through it. An interface (in my understanding) is more a transparent bridge (often tweakable on the appliance) between the mic and the recording apparatus (in this case your laptop).
Many have used usb mics into their soundcard, but many on here have stated they are not best happy with results. All depends on what kind of quality you want or what you want to do with end result (recording).
A SM57 is pretty much an industry standard and well used mic. Phantom power as such is not necessary but getting a good signal path from mic to laptop is very much needed (or you may be wasting time,money and energy and become frustrated). An interface designed specifically for this purpose would help with all this and simplify matters. Also, they come with Phanom Power so allowing for other mics to be used if so desired at a later date.
I did quite alot of research myself and have ended up with a Shure dynamic and a Blue 'the ball' (both for little diversity and also to try dual mic'ing at some point).
I still would recommend, mic - interface - pc/with program.
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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2006, 03:15:47 PM »
Tis indeed all a bit confusing  :lol: To be honest, I'm not deadly-serious about my recordings, but I just like to have a decent tone on em, got a bit sick of the v-amps models recently and prefer a proper amps tone..

So a preamp or interface is definately needed to go into the computer?

My original idea was to just run the SM57 straight into the mic socket on laptop (using some adaptors or something) till I could afford a proper interface/preamp but from what you guys are saying looks like thats not even gonna work/produce ok results?

Dakine, just wondering, which do you prefer for amps, the shure or blue ball?