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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2006, 10:43:17 PM »
Remember DVD audio is also compressed and not meant for anything other than film soundtracks.

Thats why floyd released the anniv Dark Side on SACD not DVD (there was a lot of debate and James Guthrie ended the discussion by refusing to do a DVD version because of audio quality issues)

Probably good enough to represent the amp, but if you want to be fussy wait till after the Music Live event (the amps are bound to be there)

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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2006, 11:55:13 PM »
I've heard the Guitarist CD sound clips too though.  Same tone issues to me - way more modern than vintage (and not in a good way)  :(

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« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2006, 12:09:50 AM »
build quality looks 'blah' - valve sockets mounted direct to the pcb, never a good sign  :(

I'd really like these amps to be good but I doubt they'll anything other than 'average'.  Marshall should zero in on genres and put out amps for specific purposes, e.g.

* JTM45, Bluesbreaker, 1987, 1959, JTM100 - all good for blues/classic rock
* JMP 2204, 2203 - good hard rock/metal amps (pedals needed for metal)
* Silver Jubilee (why isn't this a current production amp?, wtf!!!) - great for metal as used by Scott Ian back in the day
* JCM900 (single channel models) - also great metal amps, 'chug' for days.
* JCM????? - new amp needed for modern face-melting metal, take cues from the likes of Diezel, Bogner etc...

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« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2006, 01:12:13 AM »
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Remember DVD audio is also compressed and not meant for anything other than film soundtracks.

Thats why floyd released the anniv Dark Side on SACD not DVD (there was a lot of debate and James Guthrie ended the discussion by refusing to do a DVD version because of audio quality issues)

Probably good enough to represent the amp, but if you want to be fussy wait till after the Music Live event (the amps are bound to be there)

Rob...


the audio on a dvd video is compressed, but a dvd-audio is a different story, arguably capable of even better quality than SACD.  unfortunately the format seems to have pretty much died for the time being, along with SACD.  it's sad that people are more interested in really awful sounding mp3 files than fantastic quality audio, really amazes me almost every day just how dumb most people are. :cry:

anyway, even in Dolby Digital, the sound shouldn't be bad, but no matter what the playback format, there's no substitute for being in the room with the amp.  it's the feel as much as the sound, the way you and your guitar interact with it.  the whole can then be greater than the sum of it's parts :?

how many guitarists have produced great music, and great sounding music, with what you or i might consider cr@ppy equipment?  and who's really to say what a cr@ppy sound is?  there's the general consensus, and there's what your own ears hear.  no one should dismiss this or any other amp just because others say it's no good.
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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2006, 08:51:35 AM »
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I've heard the Guitarist CD sound clips too though.  Same tone issues to me - way more modern than vintage (and not in a good way)  :(


Can someone post these for me?

I thought they were supposed to come out thursday, so I went to Guitar Center to check them out but they didn't have any, or even know anything about them at all which makes me think the release date has been delated.

They do have a vintage/modern toggle switch too, but neither may sound acceptable in a good way....
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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2006, 10:49:11 AM »
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the audio on a dvd video is compressed, but a dvd-audio is a different story, arguably capable of even better quality than SACD.  unfortunately the format seems to have pretty much died for the time being, along with SACD.  it's sad that people are more interested in really awful sounding mp3 files than fantastic quality audio, really amazes me almost every day just how dumb most people are. :cry:

how many guitarists have produced great music, and great sounding music, with what you or i might consider cr@ppy equipment?  and who's really to say what a cr@ppy sound is?  there's the general consensus, and there's what your own ears hear.  no one should dismiss this or any other amp just because others say it's no good.


I stand corrected (but will blame James Guthry for my ignorance on the subject).

MP3 is (on the whole) for people who don't know any better, low bandwidth connections and also to get a reasonable number of tracks on a player (not so much of a problem these days). Though as I remember one of the main reasons for MP3 was for digital radio (so the goverments can raise more revinue by taking parts of the audio spectrum off broadcasters and then selling it back to them for digital transmission)

Well I adore the sound of John Lee Hooker, and certainly amp wise he used whatever happened to be about at the time, and I would kill for his tone (& ability it may be primitive but it even makes me want to dance)

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« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2006, 12:57:32 PM »
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Remember DVD audio is also compressed and not meant for anything other than film soundtracks.

Thats why floyd released the anniv Dark Side on SACD not DVD (there was a lot of debate and James Guthrie ended the discussion by refusing to do a DVD version because of audio quality issues)

Probably good enough to represent the amp, but if you want to be fussy wait till after the Music Live event (the amps are bound to be there)

Rob...


the audio on a dvd video is compressed, but a dvd-audio is a different story, arguably capable of even better quality than SACD.  unfortunately the format seems to have pretty much died for the time being, along with SACD.  it's sad that people are more interested in really awful sounding mp3 files than fantastic quality audio, really amazes me almost every day just how dumb most people are. :cry:

anyway, even in Dolby Digital, the sound shouldn't be bad, but no matter what the playback format, there's no substitute for being in the room with the amp.  it's the feel as much as the sound, the way you and your guitar interact with it.  the whole can then be greater than the sum of it's parts :?

how many guitarists have produced great music, and great sounding music, with what you or i might consider cr@ppy equipment?  and who's really to say what a cr@ppy sound is?  there's the general consensus, and there's what your own ears hear.  no one should dismiss this or any other amp just because others say it's no good.


i guess it just depends what you want. An MP3 player is a lot easier to carry around than an SACD player, and probably cheaper too- if you're commuting all the time, I can understand why an MP3 player would be popular.

It's a bit like guitarists who buy a modeller over a valve amp that does one tone magnificently- if you need the versatility, and don't have the cash for something like an Engl SE (or equivalent), you really don't have all that much choice (especially if you don't get the opportunity to crank the thing often, or at all).

As you say, who are we to say they're wrong?

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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2006, 01:14:52 PM »
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i guess it just depends what you want. An MP3 player is a lot easier to carry around than an SACD player, and probably cheaper too- if you're commuting all the time, I can understand why an MP3 player would be popular.

It's a bit like guitarists who buy a modeller over a valve amp that does one tone magnificently- if you need the versatility, and don't have the cash for something like an Engl SE (or equivalent), you really don't have all that much choice (especially if you don't get the opportunity to crank the thing often, or at all).

As you say, who are we to say they're wrong?


I don't like MP3 but I have an MP3 player as the wife broke the mini disc that to me sounds far better (even at lower bit rates), and indeed when travelling cattle class from London to Belfast even a small portable SACD player would be unwieldy (even if there where enough releases out there to justify it)

I have a blues Jr that gives me a decent clean and a decent bluesey tone (especially with single coils) thats fine for 70% of the time, for the rest it's a modeller. Though thanks to you guys I want the option of something harder hitting than the Blues Jr now.

Sometimes expedience wins out over quality, but almost everything I acquire in the ROIO world is download in a lossless format, as poor recording equipment etc don't need the cr@ppy quality boosted by intentionally lossy encoding.

What I meant was listen to the marshalls with your own ears before judging quality, as you are also having to tolerate what somebody else thinks is the best sound, for the average magazine readership as long as it's distorted and scooped its fine.

Ok it's probably awful (as it looks like an amp designed by the marketing dept) but give it a chance.

After all what happened to that fender amp from a few months ago that everybody wanted to try ? Did anybody actually try it.

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« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2006, 03:43:48 PM »
^ seconded. I have minidisc too- I kind of stupidly bought a portable mini disc player just before (about a year before) ipods came out.

I already had them in my hifi, and at the time, minidisc was the best thing out- the sound quality is great- problem is, it's a pain to record- when I got mine anyway, you can only record at normal speed- if you want to record one hour of music, it takes you an hour.

Also, you have to carry loads of discs round with you.

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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2006, 04:18:45 PM »
I just listened to the clips and they didn't impress me. To me it sounds alot like the JCM2000 series. Still fizzy and still not enough balls. Though the cleans have improved a bit.

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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2006, 06:04:35 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=marshall+vintage+modern&search=Search
there's some clips up there peeps - i don't like it. Just a bit lacklustre...
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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2006, 08:38:41 PM »
^ cheers! that's a lot handier than me having to fire up my dvd player!  :lol:

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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2006, 12:33:52 AM »
Recent audio DVDs are of significantly higher quality than SACD by the specs.  SACD uses 96khz for all the channels.  DVD Audio uses 96 or 192, and can be stereo or 5.1 (stereo is less channels so more quality devoted to each channel even at 96 stereo vs 192 surround).

However in all practical purposes, DVD audio isn't all that much better. Both are quite high quality, and given a blind listening test, chances are no one would get it 100% right if even 60%.

Enough said about that.
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« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2006, 01:11:43 AM »
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there's some clips up there peeps - i don't like it. Just a bit lacklustre...


Thanks for posting.   It's hard to tell from those clips really... sounds like  it has possibly more balls and is significantly smoother than a JCM 2000, but it's still not quite perfect either.  I'd like to hear it with the fourth tube turned on as well.
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« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2006, 12:10:05 PM »
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http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=marshall+vintage+modern&search=Search
there's some clips up there peeps - i don't like it. Just a bit lacklustre...


Thanks for posting.   It's hard to tell from those clips really... sounds like  it has possibly more balls and is significantly smoother than a JCM 2000, but it's still not quite perfect either.  I'd like to hear it with the fourth tube turned on as well.


that what i thought too- totally from the clips mind you, so far from a valid opinion. But yeah, from the clips I thought they sounded better than the jcm2000's.

I'm not fussed on them having digital reverb and fx loop, though.