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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2006, 11:15:38 AM »
Nick, the fact that some people here seem to be overly enthusiastic about their BKP's here is due to that they're very high quality pickups, I'd say one level up from mass-produced pickups. The difference in clarity, definition and complexity is obvious, due to scatterwinding, quality materials and Tim's ears ;), as others have stated that. It's something that's not easy to hear unless you're playing such a pickup yourself or comparing two pickups side-by-side. In many cases it will feel like your guitar has finally come alive. There are a lot of models to choose from and I don't think a Nailbomb is the proper bridge pickup for clean work. It's more of a hard rock pickup that's surprisingly versatile (I have one in my Strat) but still quite high-output so you might have to split it if you want to play dead clean. There are some lower output models in the BKP range that have a less compressed and more open clean sound, like Mules, Stormy Mondays, VHII, MQ bridge, maybe Abraxas etc.

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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2006, 04:30:50 PM »
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at the guitar college i go to, i got told to go for seamore duncan or dimazro pick ups. i got told that the pickups wouldnt ever sound 'properly clean', when i want to get a by-passed clean sound, is this true? i was wondering if anyone has either of these pickups and can tell me if you can get a true clean sound from your guitar still and if they are definatley worth the money. i have also been told if i fit these in to my guitar, the  5 way pick up selector switch will become usless. is this true :? i appreciate the help as i really want some new pick ups for christmas, thanks everyone!  :D


Sound like propaganda to me. How could a hand made pickup be inferior to a mass produced one? That just doesn't makes any sense. The same kind of moronic advices are on most forums out there, generaly given by people who "just eard it was like that". It generaly drives me mad in stores :lol: I usualy can't resist to tell people like that they are morrons. And the worse is near nobody beleive me! :lol:
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2006, 05:31:05 PM »
:D By & large Higher Gain P/U`s are more forgiving of "Sloppy" playing were as the lower gain P/U`s will give a better Tone but at the cost that your playing will be far more "Exposed"

When you hear myself & others talk about the VHII being a players P/U it`s because the ofset coil is very unforgiving of sloppy playing.....you cant hide !!  The trade off is a great Tone.

My Cold Sweats are far easier to play than my VHII`s allthough i find the Mules to be easy to use.

 :D  8)

These are the types of things you need to think about before ordering your P/U`s. Low gain better Tone High gain easier to play Mid gain a compromise between the 2
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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2006, 08:25:53 AM »
thanks everyone for the help, my guitar its a yamaha rgx but it doesnt seem to be available over the internet much so i cant post a link of one. it has two ceramic humbuckers. iv been playing for about 4 and a half years, im trying to get a varried amount of sounds. i love using my effects, i use about 5 or 6 pedals so hopefully this wont affect the pick ups or anything. the guy recommended seamore duncan jazzmasters or something, but he is excellent at guitar but he has never heard of bare knuckle before so i suppose he shouldnt have said anything before he has heard them. my main sound is based around a 'musey' type guitar sound and this was the combo i was advised to get... everyone think its for the best?

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2006, 10:55:24 AM »
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I'll be posting some clean clips of my Nailbomb, soonish.....

I remember hearing a clip in the Players section of a fantastic clean Nailbomb -- I swear the thing sparkled so, I might have thought it was acoustic.  Don't remember which clip it was, but I remember the sound. 'Course, there are probably pups that clean up even better -- or more easily, anyway -- but still ....

Actually, in this thread, I feel almost forced to defend SDs! :o No, seriously, SD make perfectly reasonable mass-produced pickups.  They're not as good as BKPs -- and accordingly will usually cost you less -- but they're all right.  The thing is, for the extra you pay for BKP, I think you get a lot more quality (and service!) than just the higher price alone would suggest.

I guess it depends on your individual thing.  I considered various SDs in my time, and they sounded OK, but I didn't go for them in the end; instead, I went with (obviously) some BKPs.  They cost a bit more, but my confidence was very high that I was getting the right model for me from a stable of pickups that are among the best currently being produced.  And I reckon that was worth a few extra quid! :)  Yer mileage may vary .... ;)
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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2006, 12:01:40 PM »
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my main sound is based around a 'musey' type guitar sound and this was the combo i was advised to get... everyone think its for the best?

Thanks once again


well, those are the pickups that are in Matt Bellamy's own guitar, so they shouldn't do any harm in that quest!

oh, i'm with Carlaz there.  i don't like to see the whole "everything else is rubbish, other people are stupid" thing.  other companies make perfectly decent pickups, there are different levels in any market.  mass produced ford's will get you where you're going quite nicely, but a hand made Ferrari will always be better!
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« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2006, 12:31:20 PM »
Matt also uses BKP Mules, although a lot of his sound is based round P90's. If I were you and after a good versatile setup that would get Muse type tones as well as covering plenty of other bases I'd probably go for a Mule and Mississippi Queen combo. I've got a set of Mules and they sound beautiful clean - really open with a chiming top end, and dirty up really well too. Lots of clarity and punch yet still sounding really sweet. Can't go wrong with them in my eyes. The Nailbomb sounds ace too, but I think that if you are really concerned about clean sounds and versatility then the Mule si what you need. ;)

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« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2006, 03:43:34 PM »
Guitarists are usually terribly conservative creatures (in spite of seeing themselves as creative wild men). As a result of this they can be terribly suspicious of anything new. And even those who try out the new thing and are blown away will often end up buying the established or well-known product.

Tim at BKP faces the same uphill struggle that I sometimes do with Feline in this respect - players try out our product and say that it is the best thing they have tried and the next thing you know they have bought the big brand on advice from their mates who didn’t test out the product (and they cant lose face in front of their mates :roll: )

Recently I was surprised at a guitar repairer friend of mine saying to a customer that BKPs were just a flash in the pan and that he should buy Seymour Duncans (am I the only one who spells this right). Although it may just be that he is a Duncan stockist and not a BKP stockist.

I get around that by being a Duncan, EMG and BKP stockist.
My personal preference is for the BKPs - for tonal and clarity reasons but because I have the other brands in stock too it is not perceived as simply trying to push the brand that I keep as opposed to the one that the customer is interested in.

To also put a fair perspective on this (and to seem slightly at odds with some of the partisan opinions stated on these boards) I know Seymour personally - (as I do Tim) and he is a great bloke with a huge amount of knowledge.

If Seymour or one of his hand winding team wound me a pickup then I would expect it to have the same quality as a hand wound UK coil.
Seymour maintains that all Gibson pickups were machine wound and featured symmetrical coils so that is what he does for those pickups.
I have his pickups in several of my personal guitars as well as some EMGs and lots of BKPs. The guitars that have the SDs in sound great with them in as I chose carefully what I wanted and they are older pickups too.

When a make becomes more and more sucessful it becomes harder to have the same personal involvement with each batch of product that goes out. Tim trains his guys well so that is good news and i am sure he will continue to think ahead for when his product gains wider use.

However I have been alarmed to hear that some USA pickup makers are having the coils made in the Far East and assembling them in the USA and still calling the product USA made. I have had no concrete proof as yet but it does concern me- not so much from quality control but from the honesty factor.

But I like what Tim does with the hand wound coils and the slightly differently wound coils in a humbucker and the way it increases clarity and the frequency range-and I tell people that  and let them decide for themselves with their ears- we keep a lot of guitars in stock with BKPs so that players can try them out.


I guess I get tired of hearing blanket statements like "SD are cr@p - use BKPs" rather than statements like "I prefer BKPs to SDs and i think that you would do too". especially when the players saying the first statement have NEVER tried SDs in the first place :evil:

The BKP forum is usually very good because it is full of informed opinion, and hopefully it will stay that way rather than spouting what others have said.

I hope I havent ruffled anyones feathers here but I dont like seeing knee jerk reactions and comments clouding good discussion

In answer to the original post - BKPs will do what you want but the Nailbomb may not give the cleanest of clean tones as it is pretty high output.
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« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2006, 03:57:25 PM »
I'm in the same boat. I got many pickups in very different guitars (wich are from : Seymour Duncan, DiMarzio, Schaller (they do great vintage pickups), GFS (cheap but good sounding MIK pickups) and love them both (even my SD JB, love/hate relationship). I'm pretty sure BKPs are better than all those mainly because they are hand wound, and my personnal beleive is nothing can beat a carefully hand made pickup (it's even more than that because it can be custom wound to YOUR specs)
My philosophy is "the right pickups for the right guitar" so my pickups are moving around a lot :lol:
I can't wait to get my first BKP set (still undecided between A5 MM or a NB set) so I could put those DiMarzio in my Schecter and ditch the Duncan Designed :lol:

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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2006, 04:52:26 PM »
Used SD's and Dimarzios, couldnt get a tone i liked out of any of them. They just sounded immature and fake, i tried a BK humbucker and the difference was night and day!
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« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2006, 05:23:51 PM »
well thanks for all the help everyone its very useful. Sounds like i was misinformed about the details of the BKP's. Im still really tempted by the decription i have read of the nailbomb, so i don't no if that or the mule would best in the bridge position. Do either of those two pick ups (nailbomb and the mule) sound totally different from the mississippi?

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« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2006, 05:31:42 PM »
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Used SD's and Dimarzios, couldnt get a tone i liked out of any of them. They just sounded immature and fake, i tried a BK humbucker and the difference was night and day!


Exactly my point Steve - you have tried them and PREFER the BKPs

There are others who post such opinion & have NOT tried the other brands in their OWN guitars and therefore cant express it as a personal opinion but rather as heresay.

And whilst there is nothing wrong with having enthusiam for the BKP product (as we all do) it isnt very productive to post opinion that isn't based on experience but make it look like it is.

Of course there are players on here who have got real life comparison experience and that is invaluable to us all.

Some of us have even tried many different BKPs in the SAME guitar and can offer comparisons between models

For example Hellbilly has had most of the high output humbuckers in his Charvel model 6 and eventually settled on the Miracle Man for that particular axe - as it totally nailed the tone he wanted (I hope he doesnt mind me namechecking him)

And I guess that is what the origianal poster on this thread was asking about as his tutor who was offering opinion had never tried out BKPs in all liklihood but was expressing an opinion that was somewhat partisan - in favour of SD or Dimarzio in this case.

I just feel that it is best to offer experienced opinion back to guide him in his choices
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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2006, 05:45:19 PM »
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i was wondering if anyone has either of these pickups and can tell me if you can get a true clean sound from your guitar still and if they are definatley worth the money. i have also been told if i fit these in to my guitar, the  5 way pick up selector switch will become usless. is this true :? i appreciate the help as i really want some new pick ups for christmas, thanks everyone!  :D


What guitar do you have?
By the way - what college are you at??

The 5 way may not work the same - simply beacuse the MQ is a single coil so the auto coil splits will be a bit different.
This isnt because of using BKP but simply because you are swapping a twin coil pickup for a single coil pickup
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« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2006, 05:58:09 PM »
i have a yamaha rgx 420 it already sounds really good so i dont want to ruin it and get something that i wont prefer thats what i worry about. i go to guitar-x in acton

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« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2006, 06:44:57 PM »
What sort of range of tones do you need out of it?

Bearing in mind that you wil want a variety of convincing tones as the college will make you do a wide range of stuff it may be worth considering all the types of music that you want the guitar to excell at
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